You Gets What You Votes For...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fyrenza, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    That was a fairly reactionary response. Fyrenza, I know that it can be difficult not to feel insulted in a heated political debate, but please try not to counter-argue with insults. It is best to stay on topic.
     
  2. Fyrenza

    Fyrenza Queen of the Ians

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    Yas m''m! (Yes, Ma'am, in Texan/Tejan/Texican.)
     
  3. Angelina31

    Angelina31 Member

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    Ah, crap!! I'll have to get on to immigration and ask them what the hell they are thinking. Please don't move to Perth then at the very least :)

    I am speaking for own, bigoted self (I couldn't be bothered with being politically correct in this instance), although I have a funny feeling most of Australia might agree with my sentiments..

    Well, this has been fun.
     
  4. Fyrenza

    Fyrenza Queen of the Ians

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    Oh? Does your country not want people who are intelligent? (That would certainly explain a lot... ;) )

    That was a low-blow ~ it was funny, but it sucked.

    Yeah. There are a lot of things like that.

    i'm sorry. i'm a genius. Your country wants me. My country wants me. A lot of countries want me. Or, at least, want to USE me...

    Things aren't fair; things/life isn't right; we're off course, and bickering with each other is the heighth of stupidity. If we won't help each other, and love each other, not like sex, just hoping the absolute BEST for each other,

    we're lost.
     
  5. Rigamarole

    Rigamarole Senior Member

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    lol you actually fell for that? That e-mail is about as real as Pamela Anderson's tits.



    (if you need proof google a section of it, there are multiple versions of it all over the internet. Sometimes the number of employees in the "company" changes, sometimes the "percentage" of fee increase changes, etc.)
     
  6. Rigamarole

    Rigamarole Senior Member

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    That's interesting, considering in Australia you will pay much higher taxes than you will in the US. (I direct your attention to Table 3, which shows the income taxes in Australia for anyone making over AU $95,000, or USD $65,841.91 pays a whopping 48.5% in income taxes before deductions. Someone making that much in the U.S. will pay less than 25% in income taxes before deductions. The max income tax rate in the U.S. is 35%, which only applies to those making USD $434,814 or more a year) That's not even counting their 10% Goods and Services Tax.

    Though guns are legal, the government has been cracking down on them, notably a ban on all semi-automatic and pump action shotguns and rifles from civilian posession.

    Abortion is alive and well there, as well as legalized prostitution and at least 15.3% of Australians report having "no religion" with another 12.7% "unspecified".

    Sounds like a real conservative paradise. Oh, they don't have gay marriage though. Not yet anyway.
     
  7. maryjohn

    maryjohn Senior Member

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    how are you supposed to shoot skeet without a pump action gun? what about waterfowl?

    that kinda sucks. they should just require longer barrels.
     
  8. Angelina31

    Angelina31 Member

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    That's right, it sucks here. We also like to dine on our national fauna emblem, the kangaroo. You listen to Rigamarole and stay away from this barbaric place :) We'll keep our beautiful beaches, beautiful people, great humour, clean cities, lack of slums, great government medical assistance, stable economy, excellent education, generally low crime and general high standard of living to ourselves. ;)
     
  9. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    Funny thing is, Australia had the two party system for many years. Then people started crying about the monopoly that the two parties had on the government (much as they do here in the US) and now they have several members of smaller parties (much as people want to do here in the US) and their senate is being held hostage by various moral crusaders and environmental extremists. The Aussie government can't get shit done because no one can agree.

    Italy is worse. New Zealand worse still. This is not what we want. Eight special interest parties adding pork to EVERY bill instead of two? Australia is a poor example of a functioning democracy because it isn't really functioning.

    Common sense.
    Common sense.
    Common sense.
    Say it with me.
     
  10. OldTroll

    OldTroll Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Seems to me that your logic leads the the common sensical thing; a single party.



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  11. Angelina31

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    You are simplifying things to the point of obnoxious igorance. I agree the political system here in Australia is far from perfect. However you could hardly say that the USA represents the ideal government either. Each one has its faults. Apparently the Australian political system is a mix of the Westminster system and the US systems of government.
     
  12. Rigamarole

    Rigamarole Senior Member

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    I think you missed the point of my post entirely. The OP seems to cherish conservative values, and I was pointing out the fact that Australia is in fact far more liberal than the U.S. (along with the rest of the developed world. We are by far the most conservative country outside of Africa / the Middle East / South America)

    To the OP: Australia just ain't for you mate. Perhaps you should try Saudi Arabia? ;)
     
  13. Angelina31

    Angelina31 Member

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    Oops, ok sorry.
     
  14. OldTroll

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    A good one-party government could outlaw politically-correct speech and legalize cannabis.



    Michelle Obama in 2016
     
  15. Rigamarole

    Rigamarole Senior Member

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    Oh and another note to the OP: Obama is hugely popular worldwide, including in, you guessed it, Australia! Quote:

    (bolding mine)

    Although, the Australian PM did initially criticize Obama's anti-war stance when he started campaigning. But that actually ended up helping Obama!
     
  16. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    No. I would never make that assertion. I truly believe that additional parties, much like multiple airlines, encourage choice and stimulate competition. But mixing multiple parties to excess causes an elected group to focus on the competition rather than the job they were elected to perform.

    I never said that The Australian system was perfect, nor that the American system was not imperfect. I simplified for the sake of clarity and to show that when you give every splinter group a slice of power it has a negative effect on bureaucratic productivity. I posted only facts but I apologize for using your senate as an example of how to fuck up the process. I earnestly believe that there is no proper balance of power between the people and their elected officials because someone will always, ALWAYS get left out in the cold screaming about their civil rights.
     
  17. Angelina31

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  18. Rigamarole

    Rigamarole Senior Member

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    What happened to the OP? I'm trying to crush her dreams here, and she mysteriously drops out of the thread. How rude!
     
  19. Fyrenza

    Fyrenza Queen of the Ians

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    What's an OP?

    Are you actually saying that the Australian gov/people would much rather we just throw our Constitution out the window, and elect whomever is the most popular candidate? Regardless of the prerequisites set in place regarding that job?

    Good to know where they/y'all stand on the issue. :rolleyes:
     
  20. OldTroll

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    I think he just called you an Orange Pomegranate!!!!
     

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