i found this to be very sad

you are such a dumbass. god doesn't make you pregnant...the sperm does, there is no spiritual interference in getting pregnant AT ALL, it's a game of chance with sperm and your egg. and abortions are MUCH safer than actually giving birth. oh i can't stand you christian idiots who say it's god's choice...and abortion is murder...you are all so naive. think for yourselves! i don't think there is a god and even if i did i would still think abortion is my choice, fuck god. earth is overpopulated enough, we don't need any more kids that won't get attention or a very good lifestyle...cuz they won't with a mother who didn't want it in the first place and doesn't have the money to raise it.

 

ya know i have never put anyone down on this forum but I'm sorry what you said is rediculous. Lets say your in a serious relationship and both very much in love and she gets pregnet, you would just leave it all up to the woman, let her deal with the problem and not help at all?

 

if the mother doesnt want her child there is something called adoption. some women are unable to have children so then they can adopt, and all those "unwanted" children will get the attention, love, care, and a decent life style. and FYI jack ass im not christian im not nothing i have no religion but i do believe in god to an extent. Also i know its a game of chance and bla bla bla, but god is the one who allows the chance to happen. all i have to say to you is i hope to GOD that you will some day find a girl you love and she gets pregnant than you tell her to get an abortion and she disagrees and yuo end up with a beauetiful life that your responsible for. and when your kid grows up and the mother tells your child that you wanted her to get an abortion. the next time you ask you kid how hes doing hell say " fuck you how do think im doing im alive NO thanks to you." and as i said ABORTION IS WRONG AND SO ARE YOU JACKASS

 

heh, i'm a girl...try readin right under my name...it says no penis therefor i'm not a guy. so you can give it up for adoption, you don't have to keep it. but you do have to go through 9 months or bull shit, really big hospital and doctor bills, why go through with putting your body through hell when you don't even want the kid??? there is nothing morally wrong with abortion, and hopefully you will open your mind to the fact that it's not.

 

oops my bad i got to rapped up in the thread to see what sex you are. with the bills my god so many programs, clinics, etc that will cover all your bills. and a really good reason ( i think ) putting your body through hell is next time ( if there is a next time) youll know what to do and what to eat and well youll know when your pregnant. i mean with this pregnancy im going through my fiance and i knew i was pregnant way before i took the test. thats cuz i was pregnant before but all im trying to say is theres options out there more options than just abortion. i feel that abortion is wrong and bla bla bla but i just want young teens to know that abortion isnt the only thing out there.

 

Only one thing, if you get a woman pregnaunt then the baby is also yours. Therefore you should have a say weather someone is going to murder your son or daughter. It should be talked about between both individuals on the matter. A father has a say in what happens with his child just as much as the woman as far as im concerned. Of course i cant support abortion, It feels to much like murder to me.

 

abortion is such a tricky area, i realise that it is a being, perhaps not a 'baby' as such although it is still alive and it has a life force. Although this is true, if it was made illegal for abortions, then there would be alot of teenagers who would give away their childrem, and there would be alot higher percentage of youth suicide, unemployment and homeless its a hard issue, and there will never be a final decision made.

 

This is one of the reasons why I don't express my opinion on issues like this. Mainly this one anyway. Because, some how, some way someone always makes fun/critizes my opinion.

And no, really that's my truthful and honest opinion. It is, I have no right to decide for women.

 

...I'm not going to be that careless...It's called birth control pills and condoms or, just waiting until you're sure that's the person you want to be with.

 

Seriously. No one's gunna notice if an embryo is killed or not.. at least while it is still an embryo and not a baby... and it won't even feel it. So if you have no religious beliefs, such as I, it's completely fine. Women should be able to get rid of anything that they feel might cause their body harm. Just because it's living doesn't mean it should live. Hell, Cancer's living too. Should we just let it take over our bodies? No. We have the right to do what we can to keep our bodies as healthy as we can. You don't see any protests against killing tumours because they're "alive".

 

"Actual living people"?
So you agree? Embryos aren't actual living people?
Well, I can say in my defence, that, I treat living people a lot better than you have by judging me and my attitudes toward "actual living people".

With the Cancer thing. How is it low? Cancer is living. It needs us to live. It's a THING but to people it's a DISEASE because it HARMS US. We love trees because they give us oxygen. Yet, people use the excuse not to kill a living thing when they are protesting against clear-cuts. What if the tree was backwards and took in oxygen and let out carbon dioxide? Would we still love them "because they're living" then? I think not. It's all based on how they affect us as people. "The most significant creatures on this planet".

If an embryo is going to hurt a woman in any way, it should be treated as a disease right? Even if it is living? Like Cancer?

Of course you don't think that way, but you should at least think about why I think the way I do, and why you think the way you do before you denounce me from being a respectable person in society.

P.S. about the "lord i hope she's never a mother" thing. How would my views on the rights of women affect my capabilities as a mother? First, I've never got, nor plan on ever getting an abortion. I love babies. I love 'em to death and always have. But I still believe women have rights.

 

Actually I wasn't even thinking of comparing with vegetarianism, or that you're a man and have no say, or that you believe in rape. Again: prejudice.

I didn't try to twist your words.. I said exactly what you said.

I never said life didn't start at conception. However, I have said that it is painless to the embryo. Who cares if it's living? I'll say it again: Cancer is living. So?

Again, would you be going to an anti-clearcut protest if the trees were harmful to human beings? Why not? They're living.

Would you go to a protest against the surgical procedures taken to remove tumours? Why not? They're living.

It doesn't matter if they're living. If they're going to be harmful to the future-mother, they should be removed.

If it is illegal to get abortions, embryos will be forced into newbornhood and into a world in which they're not welcomed by their parents. What kind of life is that?

 

So you thank the child, the soul, for coming into your life. You say, "Thank you for coming to me, but I am unable to care for you at this time." And with love and sincerity, you wish it well and ask that it come back at another time. Another time more appropriate for you to care for it properly. Then you let it go...

Just because you kill something, doesn't mean you don't respect it. And just because you don't respect something, doesn't mean you don't respect anything. We are humans. We are capable of abstract thought. We are capable of love and hate, respect and disrespect, joy and despair. We are capable of making decisions based on our life experiences.

Who is to say what I am capable of? Who is to say what I can handle? I think I would know that, better than anyone else in this world. And while I have never had an abortion, nor do I ever plan to, I would not want someone to ever FORCE me to give birth to a baby that I do not want. Just as I would not want to be forced into having an abortion, if I wanted the child.

And again, death is not the worst thing that can happen to a person...

 

shut up and keep this contained to the abortion thread.

 

Oh yes, and I am Pro-Capital Punishment, Pro-Assisted Suicide and Pro-Humane Euthanasia for pets.

 

i think this is sad, i mean people do mean things but aren't you just as bad as them if u kill them?
alternately, it's only fair if u get what u give but that doesn't really work if someone kills 4 peeps cus u cannae really kil them 4 times... or can u?
i'm confused

 

Its amazing how self centered and greedy people can be. There are people who would love to have children and are unable to give birth. Ever hear of adoption centers folks? just because you have a child doesnt mean you have to keep it. Lets face it, for those who have had abortions the only reason they knew they did it was because they didnt feel like going through the hassle of pregnancy, and giving birth. A lot of people try to make abortion look fine by calling it "Pro Choice" The choice to what? prevent a human life? kill off what could have been the next einstein or Jim Morrison? What if one of your parents had decided to have an abortion? We wouldnt even be having this discussion. I hate to argue, and I know that this wont change any opinions. but i think we need to see that were not just killing a fetus, but completely preventing a life from happening.
I'm going to list some people that probably played an important role in your life, and this may sound pointless to some. but id like you to look at the list and immagine if they never existed.
Parents
Best Friends
Girlfriends/ Boyfriends
Wives/Husbands
Musicians
Brothers/Sisters
Aunts/Uncles
Actors
Authors
Scientists
and lets not forget... you
chances are ill get a lot of negative remarks on this, but i dont care. I just think that everyone and everything deserves to live. as Ive said before, i hate to argue and I am very sorry if I offended some people.

 

Oh, I'm sorry, and where did you get those statistics from? The fact that MOST people don't do it because of health reasons? It's not just physical, you know. Babies are a big thing. It's not just have birth and then it's done. It's caring for 18 fucking years. That's a lot of stress and time, and can be mentally unhealthy if you can't handle it. Another thing is, some people know they can't be parents because they're addicted to drugs, are alcoholics, or just plain can't take care of kids due to the inability to have a functional family.

Abortions are a tough choice for a lot of people. But it's THEIR choice, nonetheless.

 

i guess you would say im pro-choice. but a friend of my recently got his girlfriend pregnant(unexpectedly). they are keeping the child and he realizes the responsibility he must now live up to. but what bothers me is that she decided she was keeping the baby before she even told him she was pregnant. how do you all feel about that? it irked me abit that she didnt even consider his view. now i realize it is her body but it will also be his child. i feel half the decision should be his. and the other half hers. now if it really came down to either one wanting it and the other not where they could not agree, im not sure if the person who doesnt want it should be responsible for care. although i feel this way i also dont agree with myself because that just doesnt seem right.its very tricky and im tired so ill get back later.



peace, bob

 

Yeah that's an unfortunate situation. But the truth is, if she doesn't want to get an abortion, she doesn't have to.. and yes, she can still hunt him down for child support.. but I guess that's the consiquences for having sex. Everyone knows there's risks and those are the ones you take. I think people should talk to each other about these situations before they have sex so they know exactly what they're getting into.