second amendment threatened!

I think the Second Amendment should be repealed, and that guns should be confiscated by the government. People who love guns are wackos and creeps. I want the government to punish them by taking their guns. :cheers2:

 

i'm not a wacko.

I'm an environmentalist. You can't shoot ducks with a bow.

Well managed hunting is the best sustainable method for harvesting meat.

 

how many of you gun owners actually belong to a 'well regulated militia'?

 

lol I haven't even bought a gun.


the supreme court has clarified that the right to bear arms is an individual right. The reason given is that a well regulated militia is necessary, but the constitution does not enumerate belonging to said militia as a prerequisite for ownership. It also does not guarantee the right to own any and all weapons, so there is a lot of room for regulation of this right in the public interest.

Keeping me from hunting is clearly not in the public interest.

 

This story from a couple weeks ago probably doesn't help the gun lobby much:

Eight-year-old shoots self with Uzi, dies
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/27/boy.shoots.himself.ap/index.html

An 8 year old was shooting a micro uzi at a gun show with his parent's permission and lost control and killed himself. Apparently a micro uzi is very hard to handle even for an adult. (I guess micro doesn't mean child size.)

 

that's terrible.

there is really no need to put an uzi in the hands of an 8 year old. When i was a boy scout we shot 22 rifles and that was good enough.

I want my own children to learn gun safety and how to shoot, but they will never have handguns, assault weapons, or any other weapon designed to kill human beings exclusively.

 

I think there are loopholes in laws that should be plugged, such as the ability to order components mailorder that can easily be manufactured into functioning firearms, without the requirement of an FFL. Example: Being able to order an AR-15 lower reciever "blank" or an AK-47 receiver stamping. With modification, these components can be machined into a fully functional receiver. These items can be mail ordered and sent to any tom, dick, or harry without an FFL. No background, no wait, no ID, the only requirement is cash, money order, or credit card. From there every other component can also be mail ordered without an FFL requirement. Full auto sears, full parts sets, etc..... I have absolutely no problem with non felonious citizens owning these weapons, as long as they are acquired through the proper channels. The problem is that the average enthusiast does not acquire these weapons through these non-traceable means, which only leaves one demographic. There is no reason for loopholes to allow these unregistered weapons to be released into the publics hands. I own several "assault weapons" and several NFA transfers, all are legit, and all are registered with the BATF. Receivers are registered, taxes have been paid, transfers are legit, and I have passed a thorough FBI background check. No problems.

I believe the assault weapons ban will be passed within the next year. With Obama entering office and the Democratic power shift, we are likely going to see restriction and taxes being places on firearms and ammo. Perhaps not in the first round, but I would assure they are coming. Anybody interested in purchasing a firearm classified as an "assault weapon", may want to think about doing so in the next 6-12 months. This includes weapons with a detachable magazine, collapsable buttstock, flashhider, etc... AR's and AK's are sure to be at the top of the list. I've already spoken to my guy to get some goodies built and transferred. Not sure what the extent of the laws are going to be, but you can be sure the availability of these weapons will decrease and the value will increase at least 3-4 fold. Good investment if anything. I can currently order what will likely be referred to as a "pre-ban" stripped AR receiver for $100, and if an assualt weapons ban passes, the value will likely easily increase to $500-$750.

 

Why don't you inform all of us here in America, so we can have a fuller view of how the system works? Please site references, and share your credentials with us, since you believe that we are sadly uninformed.

 

Sure.

As I already stated, you are confusing arrests with convictions. It's pretty simple. There is law enforcement and then there is the court system. Law enforcement does not mete out justice, the courts do.

Your posts about the Texas children and Waco would be fine if you said Waco and the Texas case were examples of police brutality. I would say YES. But why I sleep better is because that is all I see it as, police brutality, not a complete breakdown of the system.

Also, police brutality is nothing new, while you apparently are just discovering that sometimes the police do bad things. Guess what, the courts have known this for a very long time. The Texas children case, which you see only as some grand scheme by 'the government' might in the end prove to weaken the child protection system, not strengthen it. Why? Because the next time these dipshit case managers appear before the same damn judge, that judge is going to be wondering, what kind of bullshit am I being being spoon fed this time?

That's also why I have zero respect for the people who 'fought for their rights' at Waco. They were idiots, fighting the wrong enemy, using the wrong weapons, for no reason at all, and children died.

I'm not going to give references. Most of my knowledge comes from actual, real life people, not urls or a tv set. My credentials are: I passed 8th grade government.

 

lol nice reply dep.

wacky, what is an ffl?

and why do you want assault weapons?

I really don't see how we need assault weapons in the hands of private citizens. would you be willing to compromise on that in order to preserve the right to basic rifles, shotguns, and hanguns for those that can demonstrate need?

 

Federal firearms license.

I enjoy shooting them, building them, collecting them, etc... The skill of holding a tight grouping on targets at full auto, burst, etc... Using the weapon of a trade not so forgotten.....

The same reason we need hydrogenated fats, Bacardi 151, Marlboro Reds, motorcycles that go 200mph....

No. I think there can be a compromise with regulation that will improve statistics, but that does not give the "veil" of safety that many people seek. There are more effective ways to combat crime that to introduce gun laws, which in my opinion, are merely political gestures.

 

JUDICIAL ACTIVISM!!!

why isn't the right up in arms [so to speak] about this???

 

the average person does not know what an assault weapon is (espically those who claim they are so bad and dangerous). What most people refer to as assault weapons are nothing more than look a likes. A true assault weapon is fully automatic, which is NOT what most people have.

 

“assault weapons” is just a political incorrect name given to guns that people are try to target for political reasons. It makes them sound scary and mean, “for no other reason then to hurt people” ohh… please make them go away so people don’t get hurt.

A lot of the guns that people label as “assault weapons” are great hunting and sport guns that have been proven to be very accurate and reliable and the ammo is cheap and commonly available.

I think the second amendment was threatened along time ago.
I was originally to keep the people armed so the government could not become corrupt and over power them.

But seriously if someone wanted they could rent a meduim sized truck and drive through crowds of people killing dozens. Should we make meduim sized trucks illegal and only let people hired by the government drive them?

 

Because the constitution obviously guarantees some kind of right to own guns, it was just the question of whether it was a private right or linked to some kind of militia, hence the reason the whole case went to the supreme court

 

I would define "assault weapon" as a weapon designed primarily for killing human beings.

There are modifications to a rifle, even a hunting rifle, that offer no advantages to the hunter.

Wacky, i'm sorry, but I would support federal law requiring strict control over these weapons, and I feel the only loss would be your pleasure. I don't think you should be allowed to take it home from a federally registered and secured range. It's my understanding that they don't make good weapons for petty criminals - that would be the handgun. I also believe handguns should be strictly regulated, with high requirements required for carrying.

My next door neighbor keeps a .44 for home protection, and I find that a bit scary. It is a weapon that can easily penetrate a wall or an individual, depending on ammo used, and kill the wrong person. A good pump action shotgun is all you need to defend your home.

That said, any suggestions for me? I'd like to find something cheap and dependable that doesn't fling empty cartridges at my face (I shoot left handed).

 

You make some good points, I agree.

However, I'm not confusing anything. My point is that a LOT of people in the US do not trust the government. We have the right to protect our families, our homes, and our children. That was the right that the people of Waco were fighting to protect.

I'm not even talking about arrests and convictions. I'm talking about constitutional rights. I'm talking about the damage our government has done to the trust of the American people. I'm talking about rights being stripped away by a government, rights that were put in place to protect the people. I'm talking about why our people got to the point that something like Waco could happen.

You imply that I am an ignorant American who's only education is what I've found online or on television. You are mistaken. I am college educated and have earned two degrees.

I'm also an American, and believe that our constitutional rights are important enough to fight for.

 

I agree with you on this one, England's crime rate has sky rocket after the ban of guns in their country. The criminals have the guns they have the control. The only difference is the criminals in the US are the politicians & government officers that obey their orders. Some other problems are foreigners that need to butt out of our affairs. A good portion of the problems we are dealing with in the US is because of outside influences.

 

facts please