Democrats with guns...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jesuswasamonkey, Oct 15, 2004.

  1. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    This is an interesting article I woud ike to share, to hell with the no-info rule. I'm a Democrat, but I do not believe in gun control. This guy sums up why better than I ever could.

    http://irregulartimes.com/demguns.html

    Why I'm a Democrat With Guns


    by an American-in-Exile-at-Home (guest contributor)

    I'm a liberal in most ways, but not all. Enough to at least put me solidly in the "left-leaning Moderate" category. Now, I'm solid Dem, I think I cast one Repug vote in the last two even-year elections. Since impeachment and the stolen election I'm so firmly in the Democratic camp you couldn't pry me out with a crowbar. And I don't mind worrying about the few issues that I do have disagreements with my party because quite obviously the alternative is a horror show. An issue, like guns. Now I don't want to rave or argue about gun control. It's a difficult issue and clearly something must be done, but nobody knows what. Further, I'm not a huge fan of them. I don't think I've shot one of mine in close to six years (better remember to oil them), but I'm happy they're there because I'm also a Jew. That means that I have strong feelings about fascism, and I quail when I watch people go without a fight to their doom. 12,000,000 Non-Jews and Jews perished like that.

    Because my grandparents escaped Russia in 1920, I was spared that horror and raised an American. And I'm afraid I have a typically American male, macho view of that type of situation. When I used to fantasize as a kid, it would often be about being one of those brave little Warsaw Ghetto rats, fighting and killing Nazis among the rubble, so that when I grew up, I learned gun safety, purchased a couple guns, and stowed them away largely. In the back of my mind, as ridiculous as it often seemed then, I said to myself, "because I don't want to go down quietly if the Nazis come. I want to be able to run away and join the Resistance."

    Now, relax a moment, I'm not going on a shooting spree. Even the fraudulent theft of the election is not a signal for all-out revolution. Far from it. Mostly our lives are very good, even now. Democracy isn't dead, it's only injured and defiled. If enough people speak loud enough in 2002 and 2004, maybe it can go back to "serious, but stable" condition. But my ironclad belief that "it could never happen here" has been severely shaken, perhaps stricken forever...though I hope not.

    You see, it probably won't be you that will have to take your engine of destruction out of mothballs and use it to attempt to regain your basic liberties. It will be your children, or more likely their children or even the Unlucky Generation to be born in 2040, who will have to take up this brutal business.

    Because we're all just kidding ourselves, Fellow Americans, if we think the Republicans are going to lick their chops and be satisfied with this small victory. Remember that their party, back to Nixon, has aimed for nothing less than total domination of the political process and destruction of Democrats, by whatever means fair or foul. This, more than hush money or CIA spying, was what Nixon's action were about. And Bush the Smarter was his CIA director, a man accustomed to seeing the "big picture."

    Right Wingers throughout history from Atilla the Hun to Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump have always been driven by single-minded success and the desire to keep going until all the work was done (i.e. the prey was consumed, the city sacked, all the enemy killed, whatever...). This is their driving philosophy; their life's credo. They can no more divorce themselves from this "go for the jugular" ethic than they could march in a Gay Pride parade. So they won't stop attacking democracy, devising more elaborate strategies to subvert it in plain sight of everyone, the continued pursuit of "conservatizing the nation" by wresting utter control of all levels of the judiciary, rigging future elections and doing whatever they please, regardless of the Will of the American People. I have no doubts on those scores, and you shouldn't either, fellow Americans.

    So I say this, given that the state of gun regulation is currently lax, anyone who belongs to a despised group and fears for their future rights should go out and get one right now. If you hate guns and all they stand for, lock it away in a chest with three locks and buy two trigger locks. Buy a bunch of ammunition and put it in an airtight locked case. Stow it in the deepest basement with the words, "Gardening Equipment", and don't think about it again. In this case, do what the Repugs do, if you can, push away your conscience and the little voice whispering "hypocrite". Until the day when you explain the situation to your grown-up children, and pass on what you pray that they will never have to use. On one thing, even if it's only one, the NRA is right: A gun is a person's or family's last line of defense against governmental tyranny.

    Up until Dec. 12, 2000, I never thought it could happen here. I still think it's very possible that it won't happen here.

    But is it possible that some kind of totalitarian regime could rise up and become our government, either partially or totally abrogating the Bill of Rights (though I'm sure an army of right-wing pundits and spin doctors will relentlessly reassure the masses of their nonexistent "freedoms") during the next 99 years of the 21st Century?

    It most certainly is, my friends, it most certainly is.
     
  2. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

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    I didn't get much from the article. The author states that his only reason for owning a gun is to protect himself (assuming it is a 'he'); I'll have to say I think that's pretty lame. I mean what's this guy gonna do if someone is breaking into his house at 3 in the morning? Where's the first place he's gonna go? Sure ain't gonna be pickin up the phone......his attack on the Republican party and its members was pretty ridiculous too.
     
  3. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    The phone? It can take police anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour to answer a call. A lot can happen in 15 minutes to an hour, but it only takes a few seconds to grab that revolver you have stashed somewhere near your bed.

    Besides, he made it pretty clear that what he is really defending against is government tyrany.
     
  4. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

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    That's what I'm saying, the author only makes the case for gun rights in the face of tyranny, no where else in the article does he make the case for personal protection. Maybe I'm missing something.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Well, I don't see why so many people look at things in black and white. I mean, of course you don't need to be a Republican or a conservative to own guns. I would hope that anyone without a one-track mind wouldn't believe that.

    I mean, a man owning a pair of Speedos doesn't necessarily make him gay.

    There are some, if few, Democrats, who believe in the Constitution and the 2nd amendment. Not everyone has the same narrow-minded mindset as Michael Moore.

    I still do not understand why the bulk of Americans make everything a Democrat/Republican issue. It's so naive.
     
  6. Diomedes

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    Probably because they want to get things done.
     
  7. seamonster66

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    quote: I mean, a man owning a pair of Speedos doesn't necessarily make him gay.

    hahaha, yea he could be european.

    I see gun control as a nother way republicans get their target audience to vote for them. if you are Christian, vote republican, if you own a gun, vote republican, its the gun owners party, if you are against abortion, vote republican, they are going to ban it.

    Neither party is in favor of banning guns, neither party is really planning to ban abortion.
     
  8. Diomedes

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    hmmmm......didn't Kerry sponsor a bill to ban all semi-auto shotguns with "pistol grips"? Banning guns is the agenda of the left, sadly enough.
     
  9. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Oh please, what party has recently tried to amend the constitution? It wasn't the democrats...
     
  10. Diomedes

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    Right it was the Republicans. Just in case you didn't know, amending the constitutions is 100% legal. Of course, your comment had absolutely nothing to do with what I said, where did that come from?
     
  11. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    I am saying Kerry does not want to take away anyone's right to gun ownership.
     
  12. Diomedes

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  14. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    Wow, Kerry took up a what we can call leftists position on an issue!!! I mean he's a democrat an' all, where the hell did he get that idea from.... wait a minute, being surprised that kerry voted to keep ak-47s and semi-automatic shot guns and such out of k-mart is like being surprised at the republicans doing something that republicans do.
     
  15. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    Very true, but I believe Dio was repsonding to this:

    I'm all for the second amendment, but AK-47's are going a little too far, except for maybe a state militia or something. I mean, do you really need an uzi for hunting deer?
     
  16. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    The second amendment says nothing about hunting.
     
  17. seamonster66

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    I'd be more afraid of american civilians with ak-47s than any government.
     
  18. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    What's so special about AK-47s?
     
  19. seamonster66

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    They can kill many people in a short period of time, there is no need for a non-military person to own a weapon like this.
     
  20. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    That is sort of the point. Or do you want the american people to be at a major disadvantage with nothing but grandpa's huntin rifle if a tyrannical government or foreign invaders decide to wage war against them?

    By the way, are you still under the delusion that full-auto weapons are now legal?
     
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