Practically everything you think you know about Judaism, culture wise, is a product of zionism. Including the Jewishvirtual library. A Jew from the time of Moses would not know your religion or your people. Ever hear of that scifi movie about the "pod people" ? Thats what's happened to Judaism. Zionism replaced all (95% in Israel) the semite Jews with non semites ones. And these same people have the audacity to call me anti-semite. Ha ha. I know the truth about zionism. I'm going to pull the string on their sweater. I'm going to be public about doing so. And I'm going to see them stand naked in public and exposed for what they are. New World Order Nazis trying to take over the world. x
Depends on what your definition of anti semite is. I prefer technical accuracy over social programming. If you look in the zionist/western dictionary, you'll see the term pertains to Jews exclusively. Actual semite Jews have all but died off from the world. Its time we updated a few things. x
Yeah we get it dude. Everything Jewish or or having the word Jew in it is all part of the greater Zionist conspiracy. To quote my first post in this thread, It sounds like anti-semitism to me.
Then I'll be clear for you as I have for others. The ONLY reason Israel concerns me at all is it's infiltration into our government and the UNNEEDED aid it continues to siphon off our taxpayers. Other than that, it would be just another tiny country on my radar. Not about Jews in general. Not about religion. Not about the color of anybody's skin. Modern zionism is a supremacist movement hiding behind Judaism. It is decimating the non Jewish populations in Israel. This is documented fact, despite what others will tell you. And its being done with MY money. I have moral reservations about this. To stop it, you have to blow up the bridge it travels on. Money. Once people in the US have been made aware of the human rights abuses Israel is famous for against the Palestinians, the tide of opinion will turn, funding will be scrutinized, and sanctions will take their place just as we did with apartheid South Africa. If I appear passionate, its only because I recognize the lateness of the hour. Both our nations have nuclear weapons. And neither is thinking clearly. Their populations have been strung along and have no real power to control their respective governments anymore. x
duckandmiss, You should read this: http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/10/10/jewish-scholar-jewish-people-were-invented/ x
its high time to turn the money tap off to the fanatics. instead of funding building in disputed territories it would be better to plant some trees, establish infrastructure and negotiate who's going to get what. the fanatics on both sides feed on money, turn the tap off and they disappear without anyone getting hurt. give the fanatics money and they buy guns, ammo and bulldozers. now america is officially screwed what better time to start pumping money into nationalised health care in america so you don't have vast armies of the sick and wounded wandering the country. nuclear weapon stocks require money to maintain, when the money tap is turned off, it would be very hard to justify spending untold millions on weapons that can never be used, even the superpowers realised that. sanctions that hurt ordinary people doing ordinary normal and sane things are pointless, they just make things worse. sanctions on religious funding and religious building programmes are a little more precise. it would be hard to get people into the madrassa or yeshiva if they didn't get money and support for being there. if god was so wise and all knowing why is everything so stuffed up? oh thats right its all part of his plan (to cause misery), thats why no one has actually spoken to him face to face for thousands of years , thats why he never speaks to us. he obviously has no opinion about the genocide and religious warfare in his name? i just have to accept the say so of some rich guy who doesn't work for a living, a man (usually) that sits around in clean clothes and hasn't got his hands dirty for years. i mean look at moses what the fuck did he do? he didn't do any work did he? he was raised in the upper echelon of egyptian society and the only way he could think of repaying them was doing "god's work". i noticed that moses never tried to negotiate with god, "well god, this is all well and nice but wouldn't a graduated transfer of people to israel be better? are you sure this all a good idea?" "yes this is very nice but we've been marching around in the desert for decades because you thought it would be a good idea" nothing about these stories strike me as being very rational, the advocates of religion by the same token aren't very rational people either - i wonder why? as long as the american taxpayer funds hate to the tune of billions of dollars how on earth can there ever be peace or even negotiations??
Articles on that page... recent posts Israel medical mercy in action Jewish Scholar - ‘Jewish People’ Were Invented 9/11 Truth nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 2008 Advocating Genocide as Electoral Tactic The End of America Zeitgeist: Addendum Heineken & Palestine Now, a kilometre-high tower in Dubai Israel is destroying America financially Saudi cleric favours one-eye veil Most of them have anti-israeli sentiment. Do you have that same article through an unbiased news source? Does that exist? What I read is that one man wrote a book about the invalid nature of the Jewish what? religion? culture? This article is on a website chock full of articles like this. So the man wrote a book... Hitler wrote a book too. I recognize that Judaism is a religion and a culture, not a race, and I have little belief in the bible as fact or any violence in the name of religion. But I have a hard time swallowing your conspiracy pill that furthers beliefs like that held by Henry Ford that have proven to be ludicrous concocted stories based on fabrications, forgeries, and fear. The Jewish people have been scapegoated throughout history, before and after Ford... true they have amassed political clout... but so have the many Shah's and Arab leaders and the tenants of Islam, so why are you choosing the Jewish people? I am not Jewish. I was raised Roman Catholic and currently hold no religion to be true. But your questioning of the exact number of dead during the holocaust is is disgusting. Just like with 911, I do not care how many died in particular, I am outraged by the act itself. What I am more curious about xexon is your background and why you have taken on this issue as your mantle.
Gee. I wonder why there is so much anti-Israeli sentiment? Couldn't have anything to do with the slow genocide of the Palestianians, could it? The world is watching this issue now, and they're not pleased with what they're seeing. The gentleman's book was on the best seller list in ISRAEL for 19 weeks. I didn't make that up. Its a fact, and it proves an interest in the general population of Israel. They don't really know who they are either. Kind of hard to live up to the zionist idea and still get along with the rest of the world. Can't just whack the Israeli Arabs on the head like the good ol days. What to do? What to do? And for the record, there is no Jewish people. Jews are followers of a religion. Period. The racial composition of which has been turned upside down for the past 1000 years or so by the Khazar influx into the previously semite body of Judaism. If you can imagine black people slowly infiltrating the KKK until almost all the whites had been displaced, you get an idea of the scope of this Khazar influence on Judaism. This is not the Judaism of Moses. Under zionism, Judaism has become militant to the point it now expresses itself as a supremacist movement. These people have a huge influence in Washington now and are in control of making foreign policy for the US. The Iraq was is their baby. Israel recieves funding for it's military from the US. The reason it continues to do so is a supposed public sympathy (this is where the Holocaust comes in) for Israel because it's the "holy land". Few in the states realize that today's Jews of Israel are not the jews the bible spoke of. Once this has been made light of, public opinion will shift away from the bias we have shown since 1948. Adjusting public opinion is the key to bringing this racist system down for good. As for me. I was raised in a tiny town in Alabama as a southern baptist. I left all religion behind by the time I was 18. Drifted more into eastern thought and eventually embraced a yogic way of life where I remain to this day. My only real interest is in the overall health of humanity. A calling based on a profound sense of compassion. Calling out the problems I see with humanity don't make me many friends. Mainly because I don't mind touching the holy grails and inner sanctums of the world. There are no sacred cows with me. And I don't make alliances. No place to hide. x
Then there are no Islamic people either... both just refer to a religion... so why do you place the blame on the feet of Zionists? What about Islam? how about this list of conspiracies... Arab-Israeli relations Daniel Pipes has written a book[53] and many essays on the prevalence of conspiracy theories throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Conspiracy theories in the Arab and Muslim worlds largely blame Israelis or Jews for many problems facing the world. Some of these include the following: The Islamist organization Hamas states in their charter that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion accurately describe the Zionist plan to take over Palestine, and that the Freemasons, Lions Club, and the Rotarians are organizations promoting "the interest of Zionism." It accuses those organizations, and the "Zionist invasion" in general, of being "behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds." On several occasions, Palestinians have claimed that the Israeli government has used nerve gas against them, and then suppressed the evidence of such. Some Arabs, mostly Egyptians, believe that Israelis engineered the crash of EgyptAir Flight 990 in 1999.[54] Others insist that the US is covering up for Boeing, the airplane's manufacturer.[55] Many in the Arab world believe that some Jewish doctors have deliberately given Palestinians AIDS. The 1997 Asian Financial Crisis was popularly attributed to Jewish speculators by Malaysian and Indonesian commentators and some government figures. Like some others worldwide, but perhaps more so than in other communities, many Arabs and Muslims believe that the September 11, 2001 attacks were allowed or caused to happen by parts of the U.S. government (e.g., CIA) and/or Jews. Richard Landes and some other pro-Israel media-watchdog advocates[56] maintain that Muhammad al-Durrah, a 12-year-old Palestinian boy reported to have been killed in the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces in September 2000, was not in fact killed and the entire incident was staged by Palestinian cameramen (see Pallywood). [edit] Jewish world domination The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are widely considered to be the beginning of contemporary conspiracy theory literature.[47] The Protocols are an antisemitic literary forgery that purports to describe a Jewish plot to achieve world domination. 1905 Stolypin's investigation -A secret investigation ordered by the newly appointed chairman of the Council of Ministers Pyotr Stolypin came to conclusion that the Protocols first appeared in Paris in antisemitic circles around 1897–1898.[48] Even though he himself was antisemitic, when Nicholas II learned of the results of this investigation, he requested: "The Protocols should be confiscated, a good cause cannot be defended by dirty means."[49] Despite the order, or because of the "good cause", numerous reprints proliferated.[citation needed] 1921 Exposure in The Times - in 1920, the history of the concepts found in the Protocols was traced back to the works of Goedsche and Joly by Lucien Wolf (an English Jewish journalist); was published in London in August 1921; and was similarly exposed in the series of articles in The Times by its Constantinople reporter, Philip Graves, who took his information from Wolf's work. 1934-1935 The Berne Trial[50] - In 1934, Dr. Alfred Zander, a Swiss Nazi, published a series of articles accepting the Protocols as fact. He was sued in what has come to be known as the Berne Trial. The trial began in the Cantonal Court of Bern on October 29, 1934, the plaintiffs were Dr. J. Dreyfus-Brodsky, Dr. Marcus Cohen and Dr. Marcus Ehrenpreis. On May 19, 1935 the court, after full investigation, declared the Protocols to be forgeries, plagiarisms, and obscene literature. United States Congress, Senate. Committee on the Judiciary. Protocols of the Elders of Zion: a fabricated "historic" document. A report prepared by the Subcommittee to Investigate the Administration of the Internal Security Act and Other Internal Security Laws (Washington, U.S. Govt. Printing Office, 1964) The text takes the form of an instruction manual to a new member of the "elders," describing how they will run the world through control of the media and finance, and replace the traditional social order with one based on mass manipulation. Scholars generally agree that the Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, fabricated the text in the late 1890s or early 1900s. Among the most notable early refutations of the Protocols as a forgery were a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921. This series revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an antisemitic theme. Since 1903, when the Protocols appeared in print, its earliest publishers have offered vague and often contradictory testimony detailing how they obtained their copy of the rumored original manuscript.[51] The text was popularized by those opposed to Russian revolutionary movement and was disseminated further after the revolution of 1905, becoming known worldwide after the 1917 October Revolution. It was widely circulated in the West in 1920 and thereafter. The Great Depression and the rise of Nazism were important developments in the history of the Protocols, and the hoax continued to be published and circulated despite its debunking. Continued usage of the Protocols as an antisemitic propaganda tool substantially diminished with the defeat of the Nazis in World War II. It is still frequently quoted and reprinted by antisemites, and is sometimes used as evidence of an alleged Jewish cabal, especially in the Middle East.[52] See also: Andinia Plan, Zionist Occupation Government, Jewish lobby, Holocaust denial, Blood libel against Jews, Well poisoning, and Judaeo-Masonic conspiracy theory
Your rhetoric is word for word out of conspiracy books, Islamic propaganda and anti-semetic forgeries. How did that happen?
And you talk about how ridiculous it is that Israel be it own Jewish state but how many flags fly the star and crescent moon?
You'll see what you want to see, because this is how you've been programmed. Your opinions are based on old beliefs that were never questioned until recently. My focus is on zionism. Not Jews in general or Israel for no particular reason. Your religions mean nothing to me. Zionism is a political idealogy, but it enlists support from the religious faithful who don't know any better. This is a large portion of the Israeli Jewish population. Islam is not as much of a concern as zionism is for the simple fact Islam is in defence mode and zionism is the aggressor. Israel is a nasty little country with a chip forever on it's shoulder. It constantly violates it's neighbors borders and carries out military strikes at whatever it sees as a possible threat. Often at a great loss to the civilian population in the strike zone. When you remove zionism from the throne it currently sits on, most of the Middle East would welcome Israel and an intelligent and prosperous neighbor we know it can be. But zionism is leading these people to slaughter. People who get in my face and shout anti-semite really have no clue. x
You'll see what you want to see is absolutely correct. So who are you trying to reach with your message exactly? Are you trying to show the non-religious or the gentiles how bad zionism is? Are you trying to show american jews how bad you think zionism is? Which people are the zionists leading to slaughter? When you remove zionism from the throne it currently sits on, most of the Middle East would welcome Israel and an intelligent and prosperous neighbor we know it can be. Who is we exactly? Israel is a nasty little country with a chip forever on it's shoulder. It constantly violates it's neighbors borders and carries out military strikes at whatever it sees as a possible threat. Often at a great loss to the civilian population in the strike zone. And there are suicide bombers constantly; both sides cry foul over every incident. Do you think any jew will listen to you if you display images comparing Israel to the nazis? Seems like you like to "get in people's faces" and tell them how they are "programmed" aswell, and that would elicit some sort of negative response to you, I'm sure.
Dont be silly. Ok yes a lot of (most?) holocaust revisionism is bullshit but to just oppose the whole thing because "it always comes off as anti-Semitic and ignorant" is ridiculous. Because an exact number would be the truth, and that is important 3 million or 6 million yes it's still a horrible event, but am I the only one who finds the whole thing disrespectful to the victims that its so taboo? I think it's silly that we shouldnt be allowed to question numbers, methods or anything because its "anti-semitic"
Well when you want Vengance for your dead Grandmother who was killed by chopper attacks in your local village market and you cant afford an F-16 to drop a bomb like a civilized person would from above at 3000 feet,,, P.S. anyone know who first started the practice of using suicide bombers in the Middle east?? All of the Coalition forces essentially, in a little place called Iraq and another called Afghanistan. Sent there to react to an attack by "radicals" instigated against the U.S. and others by our constant meddling in their land and affairs, essentially acting as a slanted mediator for Israel. We sure didn't go for the oil as we've got plenty of it right here to hold us till we can develop alternatives, just need to start drilling,,, Wonder why it's taken so long for us to get around to it...
Jews were a race. Those of Judah. Thats long gone now, so its roughly a religion and culture, when before, it wasn't. Other nationalities could join the tribes of israel, the Old Testament clearly shows. And now it's a religion, not a race, so once more anyone can really join, although rabbis are supposed to make sure you are completely sure of conversion, also there are the few jewish groups? people? who don't believe in conversion into Israel, Ive gotten as far as hearing one say anyone who wasnt jewish didnt have a soul(was surprised by such a view), but these seem to be very few. I will have to agree though the religion isnt the same as it was back during biblical times, and such.
I must correct you here. Jews were never a race. Judaism is a religion. People who follow it are Jews. While the first Jews were a largely semite group of people, it is incorrect to call Jews a race. Thats what Hitler tried, remember? x
the jewish people can't be a particular race , even within the laws of the orthodoxy the child of a jewish women and non jewish man is actually by jewish law - jewish. the child of the reverse arrangement is not seen as jewish. and for all this garbage has it made them happier? well yes sometimes and those times are held up to prove some glorious righteousness. when the whole thing has bitten them on the arse not much is said. the main thing the jews can do as a people is to abide by one law - thou shalt not cause misery.
Why does it matter if they form a separate race? The Jews have a culture and tradition of their own. Race or not they form a separate cultural group. I don't see any problem with that culural group having its own homeland and national identity on their ancestral lands in the middle east. The Jews were in Israel before anybody. It's ridiculous that certain bigots want to do everything in their power to keep them from returning.