When should it be okay to have an abortion?

It works the other way around much better.

 

there should be no restrictions on abortion. woman's choice.

 

I'd just like to say that neither Eugene or MaximusXXX have the slightest clue what the Bible says.

 

Let me start by saying I don’t believe my opinion should forced on anyone, because, well it’s just my opinion.

MaximusXXX asks two questions.
When should it be okay to have an abortion? My answer would be that it should only be considered under special circumstances, such as rape, incest or imminent threat to the mother’s life and that it should never be done as birth control.

How legal should abortion be? I don’t really see how a law for or against it can be applied justly. To me laws tend to be too black and white to decide something so personal. I mean should a Doctor be forced to perform an abortion even if it’s against his principles? Should a victim of rape or incest be denied an abortion if they want one? What if they live in a small town and that Doctor is the only one the victim can turn to for an abortion, whose rights should prevail?

 

i'd like to answer that question with a question; why (other then rather lame political conveninece) does anyone assume, that an unborn fetus, that has not yet become addicted to living, want, at any and all costs, to be born?

to me, THAT makes no logical sense.

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Okay asshole, I'm not religious and I only read religious books because of their relevance to troday's political landscape, reason why I read Bible, Quran and Gita.

I'm a Fascist, and I look at abortion on demand as a negative on society and its economy, it's not a benefit, what would be a benefit is to have better and more poulace foster homes that would have the government raising these unwanted children.

But people have to take responsibility for their actions.

 

This is why I'm completely for Euthanasia and against Abortion on demand.

Euthanasia is when a person has no purpose or wants to die because they feel it is their best option.

Abortion on demand is when a woman and at least half of the time ( although I think it's more ) her lover want to abort a child in progress because they either:

a) chose not to use contraceptives
b) their contraceptive failed ( use pill and condom ya idiots )
c) freak accident ( anal slip, pullout didn't work, cumshot gone wrong etc )

That to me is not enough to justify taking what could be a productive members of society in the future, away.

 

I'd say if it's a special circumstance, any time, and if it isn't, up until the point when the fetus can feel pain.

 

Pardon me? I post something that you basicly say is true and you call me an asshole for saying it? What do you call people that just make it up as they go along?

 

not everybody can take the pill.

 

It's not what the bible says, it what the bible doesn't say.
it doesn't say "Don't have abortions!". Anywhere. It has rules about how to shave your beard, how to harvest your crops, how to treat your slaves, how to kill your animals, it has rules about how to deal with mestruating women (avoid them).
It has rules about pretty much every damn thing except abortion.
which means, to god, it was a non-issue.

that, and there is a LOT of baby-killing in the old testament.

and, as i already pointed out, there are rules for how to treat murderers, based on the value of the life of the victim (men are more valuable then women, grown ups more valuable than children etc), and it doesn't mention the killing of a child less than one month after birth, let alone before it.

face it, pretty much the only things passage that is even close to describing a pro-life sentiment is "I knew you in the womb". and that refers to the person god was adressing personally (king david, i think), not everyone. and even if god knew him, it doesn't mean he was alive in the womb.

 

whenever no other way of preventing overpopulation is available, or those which are have failed to do so.

of course it shouldn't be like choosing a nail color or a lip gloss, but to assume a pregnant woman less likely to be morally responsible then a male legislator, or even a celibate priest, as an abusurdity beyond accounting.

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Obviously there are going to be inappropriate times to have an abortion. Don't get one while you are sitting at your sisters wedding. Don't get one while you're accepting an award etc etc. Other than that it should always be okay to have an abortion.

Your heart is free.

 

I think the consensus is that at the 28th week, fetuses are able to feel pain. My own beliefs are that nothing capable of pain should have to feel it. So without a major reason (birth would kill mother, rape victim etc) then up until then, otherwise, no time limit.

 

Yeah, and the Bible doesn't say; "don't unload an AK-47 clip into someone’s face just for fun" either but most would agree that doesn't mean that the Bible condones it or that it means that to God, it's a non-issue. It just means that the Bible has many principles that cover such things without having to go into such detail. Principles like; do onto others as you would have them do onto you, it seems to fit the bill in both cases.

Ex. 21:22, 23 seems to mention the death of an unborn child and gives the punishment as soul for soul. This would seem to mean that God considers the life of the unborn child to be equal to the life of a grown man.

 

as long as its in my body, its my decision what to do with it.

 

Like I've said before and I'll say it again:
I'm Pro-Choice; I just think the choice should be made before conception not after!

 

never.

 

Abortion is really two ideas:

1) A decision on if the two involved can and want to raise a child for the rest of their lives regardless of financial, medical needs, genetics, etc.

2) A decision on if the pregnant person chooses a surgical procedure or to go through a pregnancy.

For our family, we believe in choice and that if this choice is taken away we are not much more than slaves to the government. Further, to put a time limit on the abortion is difficult. Most of the time you do not even find out that you are pregnant until after a month.

On a second note:

As an educator, I see a lot of children that are in terrible situations. Neglect is common - and I teach in an affluent area. Careers and greed have taken hold of our culture and kids are sometimes a second thought. I am not promoting abortions here, I am just saying that many of us need to take the decision of having kids more seriously.

 

And serious means the moral value of believing we know what the government meant us to be fatally at a decision; immorally we are free to make the choice.
But I feel that love is instead seriously taken when the chance for freedom is maintained for or against the goodness of the law.