got this from a couple people about obama's citizenship..

But this isn't about Berg. It's about Obama not being able to provide proof he's a natural born citizen.

 

Another article that gives some historical background.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

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It is about Berg as well. Berg supported Hilary. When it became clear she wasn't going to be nominated, he filed the lawsuit against Obama in frustration.

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If you are born in this country, or if you are the child of american parents, you are a "natural born citizen", as required by the constitution for presidential candidates. Interestingly, the clause was inserted in order to guard against British citizens trying to retake the country by becoming candidates for the presidency, and the requirement does not apply to any other offices of government. So while I, for instance, could become a senator, i could never be president. It is a vestigial clause and does not even deserve to be in the constitution anymore.

If I take you to court claiming you are not a US citizen, I have to come up with evidence that casts a reasonable suspicion on your citizenship. You can't randomly challenge someone's citizenship and compel them to act in their defense. If the evidence I bring is actual proof, you have a chance to refute it. In Obama's case, there is no question that his mother was an american citizen, and he was born in Hawaii. The birth certificate itself is only one way of documenting the fact, and is not the exclusive way. The reason should be obvious: local governments do not preëmpt the federal government. Birth certificates are issued by state or local governments (and in my case and many others, not by a government at all but rather by a religious organization), and are not actually required for the federal government to recognize your citizenship. That is the province of the federal government and only the federal government.

Gardener's point is right on the money. This has little to do with serious questions about his citizenship, and everything to do with the color of his skin and religion of his father.

And yes, wacky, nice try is my new favorite phrase, and I intend to use it. Well, maybe now i'm going to be self conscious...

 

Nice try! Arnold in 2012?

Doesn't this Berg guy have a video or something of Obama's mother or grandmother saying he was born in Kenya? Would a judge even grant a case if there was no evidence suggesting Obama was not a US citizen?

 

Even if he was born in Kenya, if his mother was american, he is a natural born american citizen. Just like John McCain is a natural born citizen even though he was not born on american soil.

And yes, the judge could grant a hearing as long as there is prima facie case. This is not the same as saying he lends credence to the allegation, and the rules apply as they do anywhere else. The burden of proof lies with the accuser, not the one being sued.

 

It's more a case about Berg not accepting the evidence and providing hearsay as his evidence.

Berg has a list of demands regarding Obama's natural born status that involves more than the birth certificate. For example, he is also claiming that Obama lost his U.S. citizenship because he didn't take an oath of allegiance to the U.S. when he obtained British citizenship status. He's trying every angle hoping that something will go his way.

Another article about the birth certificate:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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Arnold wasn't born to U.S. citizens, so his situation is different than that of Obama or McCain.

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Good enough for me. Now, onto the Chinese gymnasts.

 

Factcheck.org is a project of Annenberg, which Obama sat on the board of as Berg pointed out. That would indicate a conflict of interest.

 

no shaggie, wacky has a point. I said the "natural born" clause was vestigial. He really wanted to say "nice try" because I have been overusing the phrase. Then again, he has been over using bullshit. quid pro quo, you know?

I do think Arnie should be allowed to run for president. Maybe i'm biased, because as a naturalized citizen who loves this country it is a xenophobic slap in the face.

 

The data comes from the Hawaii Department of Health and the U.S. State Department. Berg likely wouldn't approve of that either.

That's more misinformation from Berg and bloggers.

Obama never sat on the board of the Annenberg Public Policy Center or The Annenberg Foundation. Obama was on the board of a group called Chicago Annenberg Challenge in the 1990s which received matching funds from the Annenberg Foundation. That foundation has funded hundreds of public interest projects across the political spectrum and has been diligent in debunking groups that spread misinformation to the public.

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'Natural born' and 'naturalized' are different things. It would be a more difficult case to argue that Arnold was eligible to be President of the U.S.

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His mother ran away from this oppressive capitalist society ~ i believe she 'resigned' her American citizenship, and assumed the citizenship of her husband. He couldn't very well use an 'American' mother defense.

i also think that the DNC got fooled, but good... On the recommendations of this one and that one ~ and all of them assumed that the one before them had checked this dude out. Hey! It happens ~ people DO sneak through the cracks.

And for McCain? Both of his parents were American citizens, and he got here, just as fast as he could! :rofl: (That's actually a Texas bumper sticker: i wasn't born a Texan, but i got here fast as i could! )

Anyway, the birth certificate thing AND the college (transcripts, papers, registration, thesis, blah, blah, blah) stuff lead me to believe that he may have used his Kenyan and/or DUAL citizenship in school, for the additional Affirmative Action points or whatever they give.

i think we're screwed, blued and tattooed, folks. There WILL be rioting in the streets over something like this.

Still wondering what got into Joe Biden?

Yeah. Me, either.

If Obama has them, and they are legit, how dare he make ANYone have to SUE him to see them?!? He's applying for a JOB. They require ID. Fork up, or get on down the road. If this is truly some sort of game he's playing,

SHAME ON HIM!!!

 

Being born is so unnatural. Yuck.

 

Yes, I understand that. I went through the naturalization process. i could never run for president. I am, in a way, like Arnie, a second class citizen.

 

Obama was not born in this country.
If he had been, he'd prove it.

Obama was not born to American citizens.
Obama was not born to an American mother, nor American father.
If he had been, he would prove it.

btw, If you want to use the organization (FactCheck) that he had certify the forgery, just remember who they are funded by...

 

Fyrenza!

I can't see your posts, but it's so tempting to look.

 

Am i supposed to care?

As long as everyone else can see them, and what i have to say,

well

w/e and, uhh, good luck with that!

 

Berg's lawsuit has been dismissed. Not unexpected.

It will go to the Supreme Court. It's doubtful it will want to take such a case after what happened with the 2000 Presidential race.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvhtmoNEnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD941NCJG0

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