Now Wait A Minute

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Yeah, makes one think doesn't it. The Social Security fund receives funds from taxpayers out of their paychecks, based on their earnings. They have to show up to work and actually toil to acquire them.

Yet traders sell on margin, sell short and buy their hedge funds and derivatives all with only putting up a small percentage if any of what they hope to make. I was tempted to say earn, but what exactly do they ever risk or invest in order to profit?

When exactly do we start focussing on protecting the tangible assets of workers over the speculative profits of those with clean fingernails and Armani suits.

 

Something is Goddam wrong here.

Notice how it's only living Republicans that hurt America? Dead ones don't hurt us at all. There could be a lesson hidden in there somewhere.

 

this is because the health of the nation isn't considered essential. if people die then they go to jehovah or the devil, essentially the government has outsourced the problem of healthcare to these two entities that have a similar outlook on life. being in a war also brings the element that sick people are collataral damage. sick people aren't strong, they probably don't have any money and they probably don't vote and most likely listen to their priest about how good the afterlife is going to be. people don't care about being in agony this is why they have created the government they have, people are stupid.

 

It does seem surreal… as with all the things the government of the US claims it cant afford … It can afford the huge cost of war and it can afford the huge cost of propping up the financial system … I suppose its because it cant afford not to ..?????

 

and half of america believes this bullshit. probably more.

honestly im not sure what to do.

 

Privatizing social security was a short sighted idea, based on the belief that the markets were going to stay stable and continue to grow indefinitely.

But, in the name of fairness and truth, it's important to remember where the idea came from: the Clinton administration.

http://www.themilitant.com/1996/6046/6046_1.html
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3961

I hope Obama will be as progressive and left as he is being accused, but it's likely that he will be more towards the center like Bill Clinton was.

 

I agree. Government has no business funding either of these.

 

that is fucking scary

 

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And the US government pays out social security when you retire. The point I was making is that government shouldn't even be running something like that, let alone taxing people for it.

 

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This subject just scares the shit out of me. I'm 54 dammit. I've paid into SS all my working life. I read somewhere the other day that SS receipants (sp?) get a whole $63.00 more per month from some new something that was passed. Screw them. What will 63.00 do for ANYONE in this economy?

I worry about this constantly, and the only thing I have to rely on are the friends I have that will take me in when I get to that stage in my life. I've made them PROMISE me! *lol* I do NOT want to be left to rot in a pool of my own fluids in some gov't sponsered nursing home.

What does the average SS person get? Like $2,000 a month or so? *shudders*

 

That doesn't seem that bad really, a married couple living off of $48K a year. If you've prepared yourself for retirement, there is no reason you should have to eat cat food, or not be able to send your grandchildren $5 for their birthday.

 

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I don't know what should be done with the elderly. All I know is that it isn't the job of the government to support them.

Silverspoon? You sure do like calling me that, even though you couldn't be further from the truth.

 

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Nice deflect and dodge with the Bush comment.

I totally agree that the government shouldn't be supporting propping up those companies and their CEOs either. It isn't governments job, just like it isn't governments job to take care of the elderly or the disadvantaged.

Again with the silverspoon comment?

 

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Who said anything about turning their back on the needy? Stop trying to pust words in my mouth. How many charities do you donate to? I happen to donate to 3 on a yearly basis. You?

You have totally misunderstood the very bedrock this country is founded upon, and what the plaque on the Statue of Liberty means. No where in the US Constitution does it say the US Government (or each citizen) has the responsibility to aid and comfort the disadvantaged, the helpless and the elderly. We are nation of laws, not of morals. A person cannot dictate the morals of another, and therefore the US Government cannot dictate or impose morals on the citizens.

As for "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", as I have said you totally missed the point. In the United States there is nothing holding those tired, poor, and huddled masses back from bettering themselves or their families. Whereas in other nations at the time that plaque was created there were very real legal and class blocks which made upward movement impossible.