answer me this...

hey, what about this.


if a tree falls in a forest, and someone IS around to hear it, it still doesn't make a sound. if sound isn't sound until it's been interpreted as sound by an intelligent brain, then sound only exists in our minds, and so likewise with vision, touch, experiences of time and space....... everything that exists, ultimately exists in our minds alone. a "crazy" person who sees and hears a tree falling in his isolation cell.... well, isn't that all the proof he needs?

the thing with me is, i tend to get more and more complex with things like this until i start to think that even i don't understand what the hell i'm saying.

 

what colour is the sky in your world? lol

 

Haha sorry i meant it to mean if you cant observe the tree how do we know it fell?

The sky is blue to everybody that can see it............because were all taught its blue. but what if the blue you see is actually red to me? Haha i envy you if your seeing the negative colors of what i see, that would be trippy

 

This subjects gets rather ontological. I think we need to distinguish non-existence, existence and nothingness.
Non existence is also an entity, (it exists, it’s a fact). I'd define non-existence as the the form (action*) of not being of a phenomenon at a given time. Upon this, we construct the exitents. So things that exists, dialecticaly depend on the being of non-existence.

There can not be a state of an absolute emptiness or nothingsness (beware, this doesnt mean there isnt a non-existent state) out there. Because either we perceive or not, the universe is full of matters, (atoms, energy and etc.)

*Action and Time

In nature things exist in three dimentions. Width, Length and Depth
The fourth dimention is the Time.

Time is a human tool. We have created time. We use time to measure the actions on the coordinate planes (space) of width, length and depth. Therefore if time had not existed, there would not have been any distance or a MEASURABLE action (thus existence).
In other words Existence and non-existence are human determined entities, dependant on time.

I’m not good at maths but maybe we can formulate them as:

There are two sets
A, B

A has the elements Width, Length, Depth and the set B

Subordinate Set B has the elements

Width, Length, Depth and Time. (by which we detect exitence and non-existence)

The set B is our senses. The set A is the physical reality that exists beyond our senses or beyond our detection, it is the set that excludes nothingness since universe is full of atoms. So that fucking tree falls in the set A.

 

That question, is the Basis of today's Educational system. At least, it WAS.

IF you choose to seek the actual ANSWER to that question, you may excell in your education. It's all about the DESIRE to learn.

 

yay i like this thread ok, what about this? say a baby is born and put in a room. this person lives her entire life in the one room, never being seen or heard or perceived in any way by anyone else until the day she dies. did she ever exist past the point she was put in the room?


mmm philosophy...

 

I'm sorry. I posted the above BEFORE I read about the Abortion issue.

 

If she emits energy, then she exists. either we perceive it or not. She exists in the room that we have never entered. But we are all in the hospital.

See the point?

 

Here is what I think.

A building exists only if a human thinks about it, If an animal looks at it, than it is not a building, it is "something" that it can go in for a shelter. If there is no animal or man or anything that can percieve, then it is nothing more than a number of atoms and molecules aranged in a certain way.

Same with sounds. Vibrations do exist objectivley, but they are not sound unless
there is an entity that percieve them as sounds.

When we all walk on the street, we see a certain reality that we think is forced onto us. But all that we see, and all the connections, reasons and everything else is formed in our mind. Outside our minds there are no cars, no streetlights, no government, no stores, nothing more than energy and mater. We are the ones that make sense of it all. Of course, we influence each other, and because of that majority of people have the similar perception of reality, and this is where the idea that this reality is objective is born. But in reality, our peception of this life and environment, is what triggers our emotions and thoughts, not the reality itself, and perception is a part of us, so by changing ourselfs we can change our reality and thus have a life as we wish it to be.

 

nicely said alphacolor

 

Your perception is what makes things real.
If you are insane and things are not 'real' to you, then you percieve the whole world as a dream.

Then, it is a dream...(to you)

 

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but the vibrations that make the sound the sound are still there, whether a pair of mortal ears are present to hear it or not.

 

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If no one replies to my post is it still a post?

 

Not an important one...
But alas, this one has been responded to...
So it is important.

 

But does a stereo playing music make a sound if there are no life
forms with ears or recording devices in its vicinity?

 

As long as somebody sees it, i suppose it is, even if it isn't seen until 1,000,000 years after your death... (but what kind of website would that be? )