I always thought libertarians were leftists...I was wrong. Here's where the 2004 political candidates views' put them on the political compass: So, why is is that there are "liberals" who support Badnarik? I had my suspicions after reading about his stance on issues, but according to this he is far right along with Bush.
The reason there are so many "Liberals" supporting the Badnarik is because the pointless and stupid liberal lable means abso-fuckin-lutely nothing. Am I a liberal because i think that the only reason a government exists is to make sure that an economy can grow? or does that make me a conservative? Am I a liberal when i think that we should be allowed to do anything we want as long as it doesn't hurt another human being? or am i a conservative. Truth is i am an individual whose beleifs are defined by myself and who's values go outside the normal democrat v.s. republican situation.
Here is my thing ,,, I think you can go so far right that you end up left. You get so conservative you let the markets really be free shrink the government and repeal arbitrary laws.
Well Mike believes that our founding fathers intended for the state to be in control of all it's law-making (beyond our constitution, of course), for each state to basically rule themselves. And the federal gov't is only supposed to be there to "unite" the states. Not control them. And I agree. Things like how to help the lower classes, or seniors/retirees, etc...would be left up to the individual states to work out. That would get rid of federal welfare, social security, and other similar orginizations on the federal level. It would also give americans a chance to move to a paticular area state that better suits them. That makes better sense for the electoral college as well, since people would more likely be living in a state that better suits their perspective on life, you will be much better represented through the electoral college process. That way we wouldn't end up having just under half a state voting democrat but goes republican anyways.
First of all, most people don't know what true conservatism is. I, for one, know that I am not a "liberal". I am certainly not a "conservative" either. I really despise those labels because it's like black and white with no middle ground. Basically, they are cliches which paint overgeneralized and, often very false, pictures. Libertarians are completely liberal on social issues. Libertarians are conservative on issues of economics and foreign policy. A TRULY CONSERVATIVE foreign policy does not mean invading other countries pre-emptively, such as what you see happening with the neocons, who are not conservatives at all. They are warmongering imperialists pushing for global-government. Libertarians believe in a strong defense, as opposed to offense. What we are currently seeing with this administration is a faux-defense, where the rights of our citizens are being taken away in the name of "security", while our borders are being left wide open for almost anyone to enter the country. Libertarians also believe that people should be able to do with their money whatever they want, without government regulations. Unlike the neocons, Libertarians DO NOT believe in corporate welfare. Libertarians also believe in free trade, as opposed to regulated beaurocratic trade. The two are very different. Fundamentally, Libertarians believe in the preservation of civil liberties to the fullest extent, unlike Bush and the neocons, who are doing everything they possibly can to take our rights away (ie: Patriot Act). Frankly, I find it kind of ironic how many people think liberalism is ALL GOOD, when all liberals really want is a BIGGER GOVERNMENT (hence more government power, hence more corruption). Unlike the neocons, true conservatives want a SMALLER GOVERNMENT. But, just because someone prefers some conservative policies, does not make them a "conservative" persay -- especially when they are liberal on social issues, as Libertarians are.
Thanks for kinda spelling that out for us. I don't know if many of us are aware of exactly what the libertarian party is all about. Was I flawed in any of my reasoning above from a libertarian angle?
It's all MUCH more basic than any of this. These men LUST for the POWER the Office Of President has been given by "We The People". They've FORGOTTEN "WE" in that sentance. These are nothing more than Power Hungry bastards, who only want CONTROL of a nation. Do any of them really CARE if you want Nuke Waste stored here, or maybe there???? No.
Hey! Who wants to make fun of Constitutionalists? I'll start: To a Constitutionalist, what does the Constitutional mandate of Freedom of Religion mean? It means freedom to be christian! Bob the Constitutionalist: "You know Joe, those damn atheists and pagans really piss me off. They trampld a perfectly good constitution written by proper white christians and twisted it all around to let them talk bad 'bout baby Jesus." Some Guy named Joe: "Bob, you dumbass, about half of the founding fathers were either atheists or Freemasons. And please, stop telling my kids they're going to hell."
I'm not a Constitutionalist. I'm anti-establishment. And these days, it's ALL about Money & Power. Those are what I'm against.
What does the Constitution Party have to do with this thread? This thread is about Libertarianism. Certainly Libertarians are constitutionalists, but unlike the Constitution Party, Libertarians do not adhere to the same religious implications. Libertarians believe in the freedom of religion, as well as the freedom of atheism. I, myself, am an atheist. So, while the two parties may be similar, it's inaccurate to somehow try to imply that both parties are the same and share the exact same fundamentals.
I am implying no such thing. I'm just making fun of Constitutionals because Michael Paroutka (the constitutional candidate) is the most right wing, authouritarian person on the scale..
That's what you get from the Christian Right. I myself am coming around to the Libertarian way of thinking, except for the decentralization part. IMO the justice, welfare and education systems should be controlled by the federal gov't, so everyone who lives in the country gets the same deal.
I would love a Libertarian government, and an Libertarian, and will probebly help the Libertarian party campaign (as a volunteer), whereever it is I Study. Yet, we must stay realistic. We cannot expect a Libertarian candidate to win now, but we must work for one to win in the future. The US cannot stay a 2 party country forever.
I think you meant the founding fathers were deists, not atheists..unless that was some really odd joke that went way over my head. which founding fathers exactly were atheists?
I believe Franklin was an atheist, and Thomas Jefferson supported separation of Church and State even though he was a Christian. Not sure about the others.
Some books against Deism fell into my hands. ... They wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I became a thorough Deist.[1] and... Here is my creed. I believe in one God, creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshiped http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rants/0117almanac.htm
