Communities to Avoid

When everyone who built a house was thrown out of my community, I tried very hard to shine a light on the insanity at my community, to get some realistic discussions going.

I posted the letters that I'd been sent, my responses, I even linked to their website, in an effort to demand they re-examine their reasoning in the light of day.... And explain what they were doing in public forum.

Instead of participating in honest discourse, they told everyone who would listen that nobody was thrown out, & wrote to my web host threatening suit!

In my search for a positive solution, I contacted other communities who almost universally refused to speak out in the name of treating community members fairly & honestly.... They weren't even willing to extend condolences!

I'm starting to get a feeling that a large percentage of communities are scammers & thieves.

Hence this thread to warn our brothers & sisters of potential bad scenes, where we will be able to check out a prospective community's potential for harm, & not just trust the things they say on their own websites.

 

Yonder's Farm is a filthy trashy drunk camp. It's what you would have at a rainbow gathering if A-camp never left. Yonder moves to another part of the property when he's trashed his camp so bad that he can no longer stand to live in his mess. Rather than cleaning up any of his messes, he complains about everyone else.

Recently Yonder threw out everyone who'd built a house and significantly invested in the property. It seems he looked around & convinced himself that he could be collecting rent on our houses.

We all spent years making land payments every month, and spent our own money on materials, using our own knowledge and labour to build houses with our own tools, and suddenly Yonder was demanding rent!

There's a long history of insanity out there, as is typical when heavy drinking is involved.

Yonder's son Andy had a latrine dug in the spring that everybody got their drinking water from. When I objected to this, Yonder complained that my interest in the water amounted to me trying to fence off half the property for my own personal use.

If this sounds like your kind of community, everybody is invited to "just show up" & give Yonder your $ because, "the more you give to us, the more the Lord will give to you".

If anyone had painted an accurate picture of the place for me, I could have avoided investing all that labour and money into something that would be taken from me without a dime of compensation.

More information

 

still bitter after all these years i see..

truly must be sad to be you brother..

 

http://360.yahoo.com/blog-0NgVGgUib6kY37Li7oyyDPVch3p5qNaU

I found your blog....from over 2 years ago
I'm not sure why u are bringing it up again here

 

Thanks Squawkers...

Why am I still calling attention to this?

We're still thrown out... You don't just get back on your feet after being robbed of everything that you've spent 15 years working toward.

I think most people would want to be warned about what they can expect from the community where they're about to invest their time and money.

Yonder is still advertising for members, he's claiming to be a charity, I am still out tens of thousands of hours of skilled labour, and a lot of money.

Going by the lack of encouragement I've gotten from other people who ask for us to come and invest their time and money improving their property... see above response... I think this problem is pervasive in the culture and needs a lot of discussion.

 

I agree this subject does need discussion! This is exactly the reason that we are building our community as fully communally-owned and run by consensus council, so we don't have the "one person in charge" problem... of course a host of other problems come with our ideal, we're working through them!

Love and Light,
Joshua

 

this happened in,,what was it stone? 2004?

stone,it just seems as if youd find more peace letting it go brother..

but then im not you..

you know ive said my piece on the subject..if folks choose to "discuss" this matter here then i hope something is accomplished in your "discussion". i dont see it, but i hope..

see ya round stone..

 

http://11h-m.dynapp.com/yonder.da

after searching and finding stuff on www.yondersfarm.net
I had to chuckle cuz it all seemed like something from a wierd movie

 

Thanks for the info. I think that this thread is worthwhile.

 

oh sure hearing one side of a story from a bitter soul is always worthwhile..

 

He maybe bitter, but I do have to agree with his opinion...
If someone up and evicted me from the house I built in their community to try to achieve more financial gains I would be furious.

I also agree the thread is worthwhile. If someone does need a reference on a community I am sure this would be of help to them if they saw this mans suffering due to a certain community. they could then steer clear of wasting their time and money on being screwed or scammed.

I hope all works out in your quest for vengeance and remember karma is the best teacher of all

 

theres two sides to every story.. trust me on this..its not fair to assume that what he is saying about yonder is 100% accurate..
yonder is not here to defend his actions and i am not willing to take sides of either on what went down.

i will say that yonders is yonders and there is a lot more to the story than what has been said here or in stones bitter ramblings...

 

Ok I see your point and I take it you had a first hand in this experience. If not then you have extensive knowledge. Either way I can feel his pain

 

i know all parties involved and have heard both sides of the story.
i have no issues with any of the parties involved so i wish to remain neutral.

i will say however i feel that because of the time span from when this occurred,the events pertaining to it that have taken place since the incident etc. that i feel stone at this point is beating a dead horse and i wish he could just find it in his heart to move on.

yonders farm caters to a small group of transients that flow in and out. very few stay long term,ive never met anyone that found out about yonders on the web its all word of mouth,so i dont see where this kind of attacking accomplishes anything..

the people that will go to yonders will go no matter what. most know of stones discontent but they will go anyway because they have nowhere else to go.

trust me,we are not talking about zendick or twin oaks style communal living and while stones home was his home it by no means was anything someone could put on the market and sell..in fact most in society wouldnt even have called it a cabin or house..

not to say it wasnt livable,obviously it was,but as i said its just another part of the story thats not being fully told..

 

I posted on hippie hillbilly's log cabin thread...
He's been telling me to get over it since this first began.

Hippie Hillbilly could easily have asked Yonder to deal fairly & honestly with us, as I've asked him to, and chooses instead to condemn me for trying to get this resolved in a fair way.

I seriously doubt that Hippie Hillbilly would ever walk away from something that he considered his.... But he's a property holder who wants people to give him money, and improve his property. I think he has vested interest in my not getting a fair deal...

He's been acting like he has an axe to grind ever since this first came up. I seriously doubt that he's offering any fair deals at his place.

I don't think ANYONE would be ok in my shoes... or in the shoes of any of the rest of the people thrown out of their homes.

Yonder threw out 15 years of agreements, & everywhere I've turned to for help, there's no help...

Yonder has had plenty of opportunities to discuss this openly. Instead he does everything he can to cover it up and keep his actions a secret.

Even Skip got a threatening letter from Yonder, apparently demanding that he (Skip) stop me from complaining!

I think people need to know that if they get involved with a community, there's nowhere they can go to for help. Other communities act like Hippie Hillbilly, refusing to believe or care.

There needs to be somewhere that we can get this stuff addressed, where the truth can be dragged into the light.

I put up a thousand foot perimeter fence around my garden. Yonder claims here, that I had a "small private garden", & That he isn't a community. He calls my 800 sq foot passive solar house "a 2 room shack". One of those rooms is 26 foot long by 16 foot wide. Isn't that bigger than your whole cabin, Hippie Hillbilly?

He claims an interest in in gardening here.

When I was thrown out, there were no other producing gardens.

Make no mistake, despite Yonder's claims to the contrary, we absolutely were thrown out of our homes. He was threatening to bring in a bulldozer to push down another member's house! It really isn't possible to build anything out there without Yonder eventually deciding that whatever you've done is in the wrong place.

Since Hippie Hillbilly thinks that Yonder would be a good person to do community with, I encourage him to go there and build a house.....

To everyone else, a word to the wise.... Be careful! If the property owner at your community doesn't keep promises, & acts like your efforts are valueless, get away from there!

 

we discussed this with yasha in great detail stone,its not our problem that they still chose to take the path they have. we are not god,we can not manifest change just to suit your needs.

now your slandering me.. how nice..
never have i asked for a single dime from anyone here stone and i resent you making that false accusation.
by making such slanderous accusations towards me you only serve to reinforce my statement that there are two sides to every story.

is this the same cease and desist order they served on us because of your rantings?

more accusations from someone who has never been here .. and we are supposed to believe your story about yonder when your slandering me with 0 evidence to back it up?

i think after all these years most would let it go and move on.

i believe a lot of what you say,i believe a lot of what yonder says. its not that i dont care its that i choose to stay neutral and for that you are choosing to make all kinds of false and unfounded accusations about me.

if your referring to the 14x12 log cabin with a loft we built as a joke,yes it is,however we also have a 35 foot fifth wheel camper and a 1100 square foot stick built home here as well..
and no offense,i saw pictures of your place,once again IMO "shack" is a fitting word whether it was your home or not..hell we even call our big house a shack and i assure you its nicer than your place on yonders was..

once again your putting words in my mouth. please show me where i ever said anything of the sort. as far as moving to yonders,,lol, i have chosen a path of individuality not one of a communal life on someone elses land. and as much as i have no issues with yonder,i personaly would not choose his place to live.

and a word of advice from my side,dont believe everything that comes out of someone so bitters mouth. anyone that chooses to slander someone (me) even though they have never met in person,never been to there home and have never discussed in depth the way the person operates,simply because they are not hearing what they want to hear almost certainly is embellishing the rest they have to say in hopes of turning others against those they despise..


oh and one more thing stone.
has the cease and desist order they put on you expired and thats the reason your opening this can of worms again or are you just trying to get a buncha folks harassed again simply so you can have another big temper tantrum?