Presidential Debate

I was surprised at how much the candidates agreed with each other. Once a transcript is available, it would be interesting to see how many times Obama said "I agree with John...." or "I agree with Senator McCain..."

Besides that, the only "fundamental" (most overly used word in the debate) difference between the two that I noticed was their plan to improve the economy through tax cuts.

The rest was petty arguing over semantics on national security issues.

I do think that if McCain is going to be president that he needs a new hairstyle (instead of that horizontal comeover) and he needs his teeth whitened.

 

If you're surprised then you haven't been paying attention.

 

They did seem like they were fighting over semantics.
But people with the same fundemental goal do sound the same.

 

They didn't raise any important issues.

They lied to each other and to the American people.

They Sidestepped everything, even the very first question.

They didn't explain HOW they will solve anything.

Sigh.

 

What did they lie about?

 

Obama looked weak and impulsive. McCain looked tired and desperate.

Not impressed by either.

 

Too many to list.

McCains lies:

About Obamas tax plan

Both:

Iran President wants to destroy Israel. That has already been debunked.

Iran trying to make nukes. No evidence of this.

 

Thanks, def zeppelin.
Need to watch the whole thing again when I am not so tired and not so drunk :cheers2:
I'll get back to you.

 

Be fair now don't forget obama's lies as well:

Kissinger never agreed about presidential level meting with Iran without pre-conditions.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp

Not that anyone holds kissinger's opinions highly anyway, but obama lied

 

NP Odon. I still need to reply back to you in the America Attacks subforum =) I'm a huge procrastinator sometimes. Enjoy the beer.


Oh ya, definitely Shane. I just can't keep up with all the BS.

 

Yeah, I think Obama should have watched that program before he attempted to quote from it. The secretaries of state were actually talking about cabinet level or lower to innitiate the communications. If Obama wants to talk with Iranian Officials if elected hell he should have the chuzpa to say so and back it up with reason. I would admire a President that wanted a face off with an advisary. Unlike McCain's claim that it would empower the other person, in fact I feel it would show the world our President wasn't afraid of world opinion and was confident in their own negotiating power.

 

Watching the approval meter at the bottom of CNN's presentation just proved neither one is making much headway with the undecideds, and really not wowing their own bases either.

 

dont we already have that?

 

Did anyone else get a chuckle out of Obama's "I haz braclet too!" line? lol

These boys can't even come up with their anecdotes lol

Obama tonight: john right, john's right, john's right, i have a braclet just like my friend john! unlike john i dont quite remember whos name is on it though...

This T.V. show was more important for these 2 senators than the economic bill?

give me a break

 

And what was that bit about obama's nato sub-committee, that it is not needed at all cause his BFF biden already takes care of everything in his real committee?

tools

 

Are you joking. Our current administration doesn't negotiate with anyone but OPEC.

 

First of all I'd say Obama wins on substance but Mccain won on strategy. Mccain, I believe, strategically made a series of misleading comments of questionable truths about Obama, which Obama was forced to refute. This made it seem that Obama was on the defensive even though most of the facts are on his side.
While I believe Obama is the best of the two, I am still very dissappointed that he has not taken a strong position on several issues. For example:

1. The broad ranging long standing U.S. policy of interventionism in the middle east which has fostered a fertile breeding ground for Islamic extremism and terrorism, or the hypocritical double standards with which we apply our foreign policy. We claim we support democracy and oppose totalitarianism but we support some dictators and oppose other democracies based on whether or not they accept our economic policies to benefit certain oil companies and other corporations. This economic hegemony ruins our credibility in the world and makes us a target of hatred and terrorism.
2.The erosion of our civil rights and the abuses of power of the executive branch of the administration. They have abolished habeas corpus, allowed domestic spying and wiretapping of American citizens without warrants, and encouraged torture of detainees in secret prisons in violation of the Geneva Convention. Apparently Condoleeza Rice and other administration officials held meetings on how best to torture detainees. They should be brought to justice for their war crimes if they be guilty. To think Clinton was impeached over a blow job.
They claim these measures make us more secure, but they have not lifted a finger to protect our ports, chemical, or nuclear plants. We are not safer at all and the world is in dire shape as a result of these failed policies.

 

exactly, negotiates with who they want how they want without regard to world opinion...

 

Is this meant as a racial slur. It certainly comes off that way.

 

racial how? do you even know what race i am?