For or against smoking bans in public places? why?

But u've also gotta think of the E - shit thats put in your food , asbestos floating round your office , carcinogens in your carpets etc etc.Acrylamides in your food ( maybe worse than 40 cigs a day)blah blah...
All things no one ever formally told us about.
Its gotta be the truth and the whole truth.

 

waking life: whether or not it is acceptable to smoke around another person period.

okay, so smoking's unhealthy, that's nothing new, whether it's acceptable to smoke around another human being. i'd say that's up to the other human being. if restrictions on smoking in places like bars and restaurants and wherever are removed, we're not going to get an infestation of smokers all over the place, businesses would chose depending on there clientele. we'll end up with smoking places and none smoking places, we'll end up with smoking sections. we have so many fucking places to hang out these days and spend money. all i'd really like on more of a personal note, is one pool hall where i puff on a smoke and not have to walk outside. and i know what alot of people say, 'it's not going to kill you to go outside to enjoy your smoke and that be that, but really, that not the issue, i don't mind doing that. when your a smoker, you tend to like to attach smoking to just about everything you do, there's nothing wrong with that, these days people understand the repercussions of smoking and there's such a large percentage of smokers these days, why can't, let's call them the 'smoking community' have a common place indoors where they can do what they do and not be scorned?'

 

thats funny. I imagine that the nutsoes out there wouldn't let us have a smoker's haven, as it may be. On account that it'd kill us.

On whether or not its acceptable to smoke around other people.

the instant we allow the opinion of others to govern our actions we've denied what is, by virtue of being human, the thing that makes us (no not free) human.

 

Nice words.
But it does seem slighly meaningless.
I revert back to reality for a minute and attempt to see why there could be a ban based on public health.
We have allowed the opinion of others to govern our actions.
That to me is a moot point.

 

let us all make babies and peace on earth!

 

I dont like smoking. But it should be up to the owner of the business to decide how to run his business, and up to the public to decide where they want to go. Business owners want to make the most money. They will do what the money wants.

 

ok, so businesses should have a right to choose and that's good and fine. but then comes the question as to the health issue and the invasion of the individual who is not a smoker but wishes to occupy the building/place/wherever, without such in their presents, people keep trying to argue health concerns for workers, you know "health hazard".
what issues or problems are places without these bans having? is there any noticeable affects on the populations health that are caused by this?

does anyone have any info on second hand smoke, the dangers, reliable statistics?

anymore monkey wrenches?

i'm off to have a bad coffee and a good cigarette, looking forward to any developments.

 

As a nonsmoker, I still think the private establishment ban is fucking bullshit government intrusion into private lives. Our economy is based on capitalist ideals, in that if there is a need or sufficient desire, a market will be created. If Non smokers actually cared enough to abstain from bars that allow smoking, or visit non smoking bars, non smoking bars would exist without a government ban. Because non smokers are too lazy to exercise their right to not visit a smoking bar, they supported a bill under the righteous pretense of creating a healthier society, and in turn stomped on the rights of smokers, and livelihood of bar owners who have seen a dramatic reduction in revenue as a result of the ban. Furthermore, sealed, ventilated smoking rooms was an obvious middle ground that still provided all the health benefits to non smokers, while trampling less so on the rights of smokers and bar owners, but was made illegal for a still unknown reason.
Fucking bull shit.

 

seriously dude, its up to the public to decide where to work/get a drink. And trust me, more than not, people will want non smoking these days. Therefore, many establishments will remain non smoking for better profit. Its not up to the big guy.

 

it wasn't the non-smokers, at least here. toledo was one of the earlier cities to pass such a law; at the time it had the highest percentage of citizens that were smokers in the country. anyway, city council passed the law without ever sending it to a vote or even mentioning that they were considering it until it was already passed.

 

youre too late.

 

i hate smoking indoors. it hurts my eyes and makes me stink. the whole thing is just unpleasant. but i think it should be up to business owners whether or not they wish to allow smoking within their premises. put a little warning sign on the door, make sure your wait staff doesn't mind, and that's that. it seems a simple thing to me.

 

cate8- seriously dude, its up to the public to decide where to work/get a drink. And trust me, more than not, people will want non smoking these days. Therefore, many establishments will remain non smoking for better profit. Its not up to the big guy.
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dude, i know, but big brother is causing problems and these are questions being asked. i agree it's up to the people and to the businesses, i'm just trying to get as informed as i possible can about the bullshit their flinging out, because it's working. if places are non smoking for better profit, awesome, fine with me, but if a place wants to be a smoking, they should be capable without having to resort to being a smokeasy.

 

mamakcita-
yes! it is that simple. why must everyone get all pissy about it and try to complicate things? i'm still looking for the grounds (reasoning/evidence) for their stance on the bans.

 

In BC here, not only are you not allowed to smoke in any public building - which I like - you aren't allowed to smoke w/in 20 feet of the doorways.

I'm an ex-smoker. I find not smelling smoke everywhere refreshing. If I still smoked, I'm sure it would be an inconvenience.