Dissolving the self = indistinguishable from selfishness

"It's a shame you don't feel the need to argue your case, rather than merely stating it as fact. You could be more persuasive."


For me, it is fact. There are some things that can not be shared outside of one's self because of their nature. So it is with spiritual sight.

I can only say that if I can do it, so can you.

If I can raise your curiosity about what I talk about, it will encourage you to find things out for yourself. To know God, is a direct experience. Other people's opinions don't matter in the end if they haven't experienced it for themselves.

I WANT you to see it for yourself, because anything I could say on a human level would fall short. It would also be from my vantage point.

I want you see God from your own.

When you do, you'll still be in a human body, but inside, the way you've seen the world up to that point will change. Values and priorities shift. The "self" has become aware of it's temporary nature. It no longer fears the end of it's life on earth. It no longer chases after material things. It is free.

You've heard that no man is an island? With God realization, you will see the truth of that.

You will understand that there is only one consciousness manifesting in many forms.


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Each one of us a cell
in the 6 billion celled brain

 

I was going to use that but it's been done to death already.


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Lot of people can't see it . .

I'll repeat it until we reach 7

 

So, to put it another way, it's not fact.

Cop-out.

Similarly, if I can argue my point, so can you!

I do that anyway though. For some reason I object to the idea that you're surreptitiously taking credit for my curiosity. I guess that's my over-active ego in action though, right?

You seem to assume that I haven't. That I couldn't have seen God from my own vantage point already, because we are nevertheless in disagreement. You can no doubt see why this makes me skeptical. If God is subjective, you can't know that I haven't seen him. If you can know, then God must be objective, and thus though describing him might be hard it would certainly not be pointless for the reasons you give.

Again, you know nothing of my values or my freedom. You just assume that no free person could disagree, could see value in material things, or fear death, purely because you don't.

I've also heard that "life's not worth a damn, til you can say: I am what I am". Lots of idioms aren't worth setting your whole life by.

Again, more cyclic logic disguised as subjectivism. If this is truly my path, my subjective experience, then why are you willing/able to predict its outcome? Can't you decide between the subjective and the rational? Are you really as free as you think?

 

Ah. A thinker.

In certain paths, the mind, your "thinking" computer, is the Satan of religious lore.

The rage of Satan is a result of Satan, the mind, being unable to let go of his identity and merge back into what he came from.

The preservation of his identity is so important, he would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven. Hell, is anything the mind can't figure out. Because the mind has cut itself off from the answers that are known by "God".

Thus, the mind creates it's own hell. Willingly so. Is life not a struggle? Yet the mind enjoys the sensation it gets from the body when it discovers something new. It becomes an addiction. It could have all the answers, but has chosen this path of bite by bite reality.

Because the mind cannot see beyond it's physical senses, it discounts anything beyond their limited range. There is no "evidence" to back up claims.

We have people of many different colors and sizes and IQ's

Would it be such a stretch of the imagination to think there are people who have more range than others?

Belief is like getting a post card from the top of Mt. Everest. You imagine what it must be like. The mind tries in vain to form an image of it. But as we all know, a mirror image is not the same thing as the person standing before it.

Realization is being there, and taking off your goggles in amazement of what you see before you.

You send out post cards when you get home, knowing people will imagine what it was like. But you do it anyway.

Maybe it'll get them out of the house someday?

Maybe they'll take up climbing?

Undividing as they go.




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Yeeeaahhh, I kind of make it a point of principle not to bother with the opinions of those who use "thinker" as a dirty word.

 

Hoatzin, when you have such an adversial demeanor, it makes it that much harder to take in what the other person is saying, no?

 

I think I'd rather be adversarial than languid, but I don't think I've been particularly adversarial. I'm trying to get the guy to defend his viewpoint, and he's not doing it, which would be fine if he wasn't posting about it so much. Maybe you totally disagree, maybe you can offer me some pointers on how to improve my behaviour. Maybe, like xexon, you think I think too much.

 

This seems pretty relevant:

http://qwantz.com/archive/000640.html

 

This has been a good thread! I really think it's all a matter of what your needs and preferences are. If I am needing or wanting to be separate for some reason--and there are good reasons, I can adjust my focus to make that aspect of reality real, and if, on the other hand I start to suffer from the perceptions/feelings that come from focus on separation such as loneliness, I can go the other side and focus on the unity aspect.

Another choice I have is to focus on the unity aspect in specific ways. I can feed my desire to be one with those I desire to be one with by focusing on my being one with them and I can also not be one with those who hurt people and earn my hatred.

Of course, ultimately I have to recognize (with shame) that all are me, not just the ones I want to be me, but I am still able to choose what I focus on and I can choose to focus on the fact that I'm my girlfriend instead of dwelling on the gruesome fact that I'm also people like Fred Phelps or Rush Limbaugh or some idiot like that.

We can't choose reality but we do have control over OUR reality because OUR reality all pivots on what we focus on and how we focus on it.

 

lol You posted this as I was posting so I just saw it. It makes a good point.
How many possible interpretations could someone apply to the statement "I love you." ? It could mean anything from having deep feelings of affection to wanting to marry you so he/she can kill you and get your life insurance!