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Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Pellinore, Sep 2, 2008.

  1. Pellinore

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    They will be testing this bugger 10th of september, it's a particle accelerator. It is said to produce mini blackholes, however some claim that this blackhole will dissappear while others claim this blackhole might become stable and start extending and eating up the earth.

    here's an article: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/article1630897.ece




    physics is often one big bunch of speculations... most theories arn't even proven.. lets hope we are not blindly killing dear mother earth.
     
  2. stalk

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    our minds can be mini black holes

    don't worry about it. this thing is awesome.
     
  3. Pellinore

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    Yeap, i know all about it *points to his memory*.

    Still i wonder.. if they will manage to recreate a blackhole..

    i have this theory that blackholes are like doorways to emptyness itself.. i mean.. pure emptyness, not like space. This emptyness is what surrounds our universe, our universe is like a big balloon, if you make a hole in it air will get sucked out... into the vacuum of the nothingness.. imagine this.. if this is the case... this will be indeed very awesome.. being sucked trough a hole wich is invisible for the human eye.. ouch!

    edit: The tunnel in wich the atoms will be circulating has thinner air then space itself... somehow this connect to my above theory, when making the air thinner, would this allow us to easier make a hole to the "absolute" nothingness.. somehow making the air so thin that the huge energy release of collision will rip the boundary between the universe and the nothingness apart..resulting in a black hole, isn't this somehow.. pure logic?
     
  4. Exar

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    nothing personal but this guy knows sod all about physics... also the sun is the worst paper in britain
     
  5. Pellinore

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    I had no idea.. since i'm not from britain, just caught the link somewhere on another forum.. hehe.. but yea, that article seems a little bit exegeratted.
     
  6. StillMourning

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    What about the mail?
     
  7. jeremiahweed28

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    dont quote me on any of this, but to my understanding, this is how and why it works.

    Well the reason there is as little air as posible in the LHC is because as we know, air is made up of molecules which are made up of atoms. the LHC will be "shooting" single atoms at each other at close to the speed of light. If there was air in the LHC, it would interfear with the prosess because the atoms would colide with the air moleculs and in my opinion just caus alot of heat and friction.

    The way the black holes are made is not verry complicated either. Black holes are just extreamly compact and massave objects with so much gravitational force that light cant escape. The LHC will be coliding the two atoms together at speeds fast enough to break the atoms apart, and create more heat energy than the center of the sun!!!B efore the fly apart though, they create a minuature black hole aproximatly the size of a neutron from an atoms nucleus.

    About the black hole eating the earth... thers nothing to wory about. black holes are not actualy compleatly black, they have a slight tint of grey. This is from them radiating energy. Black holes eventualy radiate all of there energy and die off, but the speed at which they radiate a percentage of there energy is proportonial to there mass. Because of this, large black holes will basicly take trillions of years to die. A smaller black hole in space will take a shorter amount of time to die than a large one, but they both will still be there long after we are gone. One the size of a nutron though, will take about 1/1000 of a second to disipate and disapear. So i see no way for the LHC to be the end of the earth.

    Nobody is even sure if black holes are going to form in the LHC, but if they do, it will be proof of other demetions. Now talking about this gets pretty intence and complicated. You get into the sharing of gravity through dementions and it just takes a long time to explain, so i'll let you do your own research.:D
     
  8. Entheotroph

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    also, you should keep in mind that cosmic rays stream into our atmosphere constantly, and are as energetic and much more than the LHC. Cosmic rays are about 90% protons (which is what the LHC uses), and are mostly eaten up by collisions with atoms and molecules in the atmosphere, although some do make it down and strike people on occasion. So, we can assume that since no black holes have destroyed the earth by collisions by cosmic rays, the LHC won't hurt us either. :D
     
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    You know when you look up at the sky
    and you see all those spots.........

    definitely interstellar particles passing through you
     
  10. ZeroxBleach

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    I remember researching what those tiny dots actually are, and as it turns out it's actually white blood cells on the surface of your eye moving back and forth.

    If you ever see what seems like a barely visible crack in the sky that moves with your eye, that's a dust particle trapped on the surface of your eye, similar to dust on the lens of a camera.
     
  11. Pellinore

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    I still believe that blackholes are ruptures in the universe! :p
    ayways, following hawkings theory blackholes dissolve by time (and the tiny ones at thc should have a lifespan of less then a second).
    But i still believe blackholes arn't something innocent to play around with. But that are my believes.. i believe it's the same like eating shrooms for the first time.. in the middle of the city.. thinking you're going to have a fun ride... (yes.. that happend to me and ended up in the worse possible nightmare..bah! :p)

    Anyways, on the bright side, this might be the same as when humans discovered the use of fire, the results we might get from the experiment might offer us alot of insights and new approaches. But science is a paradox, it can be used constructive, but it also has a destructive side.. so are we ready for this?
     
  12. SunLion

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    some do make it down and strike people on occasion

    I think I heard somewhere that if you're in darkness, and happen to be awake and attentive when one passes through your retina, you may see a flash of light. Or maybe I dreamed it after having a mysterious flash of light while sleeping.
     
  13. Entheotroph

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    apparently astronauts, or anyone in earth orbit, outside of the atmosphere, get those flashes of light when they have their eyes closed. I've never heard of it happening on the ground, but I'm sure it does occasionally.

    as for blackholes, some theories suggest that blackholes lead to other dimensions, or other areas of our own dimension. if they did lead to 'nothingness,' would that mean that the edge of our universe is a giant blackhole? I wonder what getting sucked into the nothing would feel like... maybe similar to being eaten by Langoliers? :eek:
     
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    Finally! haha that's bugged me for years man.

    Of course, all of those black holes are probably just the result of intelligent beings much like ourselves getting to the point where they make giant particle accelerators that accidentally cause black holes :rolleyes:
     
  15. DancingBears64

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    The LHC could answer many theorists' questions about matter and such. I am quite anxious about this, but I can't wait to see what it can do. Just think, this thing can prove the existence of the Higgs boson and give us better insight into what dark matter/energy really is! I'm fuckin stoked man
     
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    Not true, I'm a biochemist. I just thought it was amusing distraction from all this LHC-blackhole doomsday nonsense. :p
     

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