Why the Christian/Judeo/Islamic God?

Im humbled.

 

Are you ??

 

I wouldnt say it if it wasnt so.

 

But I would...

 

some guys bossom eh? yep, sounds like the right place for you!

 

Not some guys bossom. Gods bossom. Have you ever held your children to your bossom? Its ok if you dont get it. Dont you see? It dont matter to you because you dont believe in Him anyhow so as far as you know you wont be missin anything! If you never know the love of God, its all the same to you anyhow because youve never felt it. You wont be loosing anything here on this earth, and thats the only "thing" you got goin on anyhow! As far as your concerned, thats all there is. Just some rocks and molecules an shitt. Someday youl just die and thatl be alll there is to it. Youl just ceace to exist, and thats just fine with you because as far as your concerned thats just the way it is and your not expecting anything more. This is the comfort that Satan gives you. The comfort of ignorance. Youl be just fine till you rize from your grave to be judged. But its kinda like the cigaret smoker who wants to give up cigarets on their death bed but its too late. Itl be too late when the REAL reality sets in. The truth. Now dont get me wrong. Im not directin this at you in perticular mr bossom. Im directin this to those who aint the chozen fyew. If He wants you He'l save you whenever He wants to. He may give you a new heart to feel with and save your ass, who knows. For your sake I hope so but it really aint no skinn offa my ass. Go to hell as far as Im concerned. You seem to be an over educated shitt head anyhow. Happy shittheadin mr bossom!

 

Hey, evolution guys, are you still here?

Here is a funny question for you:
Evolution means development, right? And development it is from good to the better and not vice versa, eh? From primitive to more sophisticated, is it not true? Is this not how they put it: the fittest will survive?
Now tell me, why does this obviously NOT work in case of us humans???
Am I missing something? Where is this improvement in case of humans?

Look: human life is getting worse , now even beyond hope for those don't believe in God. Where is your evolution in this case?????
Yeah, I mean, we have now the Human Rights Declaration and stuff. Humanitarian missions. But the human family is suffering much more than it deed 3000 years ago, when slavery was common legal practice! Well it is NOT legal now, but it is still being practiced in its worst forms.
...With the evolution stuff, humans should have by now evolved into happier persons, because the fittest would really survive; why have they not?

 

No, evolution doesn't mean "development" in the sense of progress or getting better and better. It simply means adaptive fitness for survival in a given environment. A cockroach is exceptionally well adapted for survival, and has done so for a longer time than we have, and the ones that are best able to survive our traps and poisons will pass those traits onto their offspring. Humans obviously aren't so unhappy that they've stopped breeding. Sometimes, though, a species can become extinct, and we may join the club if we constinue to destroy our environment. By the way, I'd dispute your contention that the human family is suffering more than it did 3,000 years ago. By most measures of human well-being, we're better off.

 

Because Buddha is a fatty and the Justice League of Hinduism are just plain weird?

 

yeah they all have like 50 faces and stuff.

 

Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, as religions go, it's a pretty awesome comic book.

Ever seen those sucky Christian comics though? They're pretty much only good for taking the piss out of.

 

I see your point about evolution.
But don't you think "fitness for survival" for us human creatures necessarily means some measure of happiness? I mean, the fittest cockroach is a happy cockroach -- such is the life of them unconscious creatures.
But look now at the growing number of suicides and discouragement with life in the developed countries. Would you call it advanced fitness for life? ... Neither can I call the present condition of humans "evolution" as compared with the past.
Another thing now: they are digging into the soil of the past knowledge and wisdom. Reviving old philosophies and teachings, looking for answers to their questions... In case of evolution they'd have no such need -- the present kind is more evolved, more fit for life. Why address the wisdom of the past generations? Why look back to what you have already left behind (if we have indeed evolved)? The evolution process has already taken care of that, has it not?

 

Depends. How many of those suicides were about the awful pointlessness of the human condition, rather than, say, having run up massive gambling debts, or finding out their girlfriend was being banged by their brother? Evolution can hardly be blamed by those things.

It seems like you're implying that we should consider human suicide as proof that we are not fit to survive. Unless some kind of The Happening scenario occurs, I think that would be pretty hard to back up. Most people, from all walks of life, whether affluent or povert...ous, will not kill themselves.

The emboldened part points to a misdefined sense of evolution. You're implying intention behind evolution, as if it is some anthropomorphic entity that 'knows' what's best for us. Evolutionary science does not claim this. The species that survive now need not be "fitter" than species of 65 million years ago, say. The species alive now were, at some point, fit enough to survive others. That is all. Evolution does not "take care" of anything.

Evolution deals with chance, fluke, and hilarious irony, but there is certainly no suggestion that "the fittest" means "whatever we think is the fittest".

"Survival of the fittest" is just a crap phrase, to be honest.

 

I used to have chronic gastritis but a group of believers laid their hands on me and I was healed...no more IBS, no more not being able to eat dairy. As much as I was a fervent christian, the more spiritual aspects of the religion I doubted, but this challenged me greatly. I have faith that God enabled me to live a more normal life in order to further his cause. That is my evidence.

 

See, I'm loathe to say that that's totally within the scope of our knowledge of psychology and biology (depression can exacerbate illness, reducing stress can ameliorate it), because I don't want to be responsible if you suddenly relapse.

 

While this anecdotal story is touching, please be aware that others who believe in other gods can share similar stories of healing. Does this mean their gods exist as well? If so then the bible is wrong in saying there is only one god. Or do you honestly believe you are that special that a deity would heal you and not the millions of others for their "special purpose" in life? Sounds like a cruel bastard to me. BTW, My wife has had IBS most of her adult life, apparently your god doesn't have a special purpose for her and she still suffers. She was raised by strict, devout catholics as well. So if your god exists, please pray for her healing. I'll convert when your prayers are answered and post my conversion here. Thanks.

 

Unless all religions describe either the same entity, merely giving it different names, or else describe aspects of the same entity.

It would still be wrong to say that all other gods are wrong, but I'm not sure whether it says that.

Not agreeing with either of you - because my explanation is more awesome - just sayin'.

 

Since we KNOW they don't describe the same entity or even the same attributes, we can conclude with certainty that is possible for all gods to be false but it isn't possible for all gods to exist, it would be a contradiction to many gods. Since the Hindu god is far different than the CJI god, your explanation fails. Since the Greek gods are far different than CJI god, it fails again. I could keep going but would you still be satisfied with your answer? To remain intellectually consistant, I would hope not.

Her story doesn't prove or disprove "a" god, but we have no reason to assume its her god. No argument really disproves some god we have yet to define or understand and I remain agnostic for this god should it exist. However, I've seen no evidence that can conclusively convince me that the CJI god ever existed as described in the various texts and depending on the attributes applied to this god, it is impossible for it to exist based on contradicting attributes.

 

Well no, I don't believe in God after all. I do however believe that people believe in the gods they do and come up with the stories that they do for the same good reasons.

And does it matter any more to you than disproving the existence of Santa Claus? Would you devote serious time and resources to doing so? Would you demand that those who believe in him be made to see the error of their belief?

Not accusing you of this, but cmon, does it really matter if a few people believe something like this? Do you find it as offensive as you made out that someone might believe their illness was cured by God, just because someone else's wasn't?

 

Agreed, I have no doubt that Theists convince themselves all the time that something that happened in their life was due to a deity. This makes perfect sense in light of the fact that there has been HUman created gods for as lond as human history has been recorded and probably a lot longer. This is called God of the Gaps. Creating Gods to fill in the gaps of knowledge when we can't explain something naturally. Science has done a wonderful job in closing the gaps in knowledge, but still has a long way to go.

Only if belief in Santa caused us to create laws that affect others based on the belief in Santa.

Do you find it offensive that persons in our own government believe atheists shouldn't be considered patriots? Do you find it offensive that you would never be elected into any public office if you openly professed your atheism? Do you find it offensive that even though our constitution (aledgedly) protects us from having to "pass a religious test" in order to be elected, yet if you aren't at least SOME kind of theist, your chances are slim to none that you would be elected as a self professed atheist? In some ways I do find it offensive that Religion plays a huge roll in our lives either directly or indirectly.

I respect a persons right to believe what ever they want, just as much as I have the right to not believe what ever I want. However, I'm not obligated to respect a theistic belief in and of itself.