Confusion about Trannys

Discussion in 'Transexual and Transgender' started by Bitter_Loveless, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. Bitter_Loveless

    Bitter_Loveless Member

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    Okay if you get turned on by transexuals does that make you bi? I feel like a retard asking this, but I really must know. I've been confused about this for a long time and I just need some clarification.
     
  2. Invisible Soul

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    Simple answer, if you're a guy and you're attracted to the female form. Then you are straight. You'd only be bi if you were attracted by the idea of a chick with male genitals. (A tranny, for want of a better word) A guy attracted to a ts ( i hate using the word, but i will in this instance) that has female looks and female genitals is straight.

    Gay men are not attracted by women, or the female form, so i dont think a straight guy being attracted to an attractive female who once had a male body part makes him gay. He's still straight imo.

    Would a gay guy be attracted to an attractive female who once had a male body part? No, because gays are attracted to the male body, male features, and male genitals, so there's your answer.

    But as ive stated elsewhere before, people like me who are genuinely trapped in the wrong body, and hate their born genitalia, are not in the same category. Though that line does become a bit blurred if the person still has the outward appearance of a male but has a vagina. (But then that rule could also be applied to biological women who look like men)

    Which is why i think its a lot harder for someone who's been born in the wrong body like me, to find a partner or companion than either gay people or straight people born with the right genitals. Most straight guys wouldnt want a woman if they found out she was born with male genitalia, as they think it compromises their own sexuality. (which of course it doesnt, unless the person they're attracted to has a male physical appearance, or still has male genitals) And gay men wouldnt want one either, as someone who has the physical appearance and genitalia of a woman woudnt be attractive to a gay man, as they arent attracted to the female form. So the only partners someone like me could get is a man or woman who is bi-sexual.
     
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  3. Bitter_Loveless

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    Well seems that I'm bisexual then. Heh heh ^ -^ except I don't find the male appearance attractive to me, just a female appearance with the male genitalia along with females that have female genitalia. I feel so enlightened, thank you so much for this enlightenment.
     
  4. Kythlo

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    I don't think it makes you bi, it's the female your attracted to. Of course that's my experiance, and you certainly could identify as bi. Really why does it need a label, you like who you like.
     
  5. Invisible Soul

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    No, i think it does make you bi. If you're attracted by the idea of someone with female looks but with male genitals, that does make you bi. If the genitals have been removed, then that would be a different matter.

    Most people do need labels, because it makes them feel comfortable. I think having labels just pigeonholes people, but that's just the world we live in. Most people like labels because it makes them feel like they belong in a certain group, and people that make them feel uncomfortable can be placed in a different category. I class myself as straight though, so i suppose im labelling myself in a way. I think labels just make it easier for people to show who they are. Of course, labels can be misused or be used wrongly. Which is the problem.
     
  6. Kythlo

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    And I still don't think it makes you bi but everyone will think different. If anything I see it as a pansexual attraction, but it doesn't make you pansexual. It doesn't make you anything
     
  7. Invisible Soul

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    The reason why i think it makes you bi, is because someone like that has male and female attributes in their physical appearance. And seeing as how someone who is attracted to both attributes is classed as bisexual, then that is the most logical thing to call it. Then again, not everyone who is bisexual is going to be attracted by someone with the attributes of both sexes in their physical appearance. As the idea of being with someone like that is just very weird to a lot of people, including me.

    Just because being attracted to someone like that makes you bisexual, doesnt mean all bisexual people are going to be attracted to that.
     
  8. Kythlo

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    But it doesn't make you bisexual, it doesn't make you anything. Being Bi is about so much more then liking cock and tits, it involves being able to create lasting emotional and spiritual connections with two genders. And at the end of the day it doesn't matter anyways, why is there this dire need to label absolutely everything we do or like. It doesn't matter what you call it, it's an attraction to a person that's it, simple as that.
     
  9. Invisible Soul

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    I think you can have emotional and spiritual connections with either gender, no matter what your sexual orientation is. Though it is true that emotionally men and women are different, so it probably is more than to do with just physical attraction. Physical attraction is the main factor though what determines someone's sexual orientation. (Otherwise why arent lesbian's attracted to effeminate men, for example?) I dont like labels either, but they are there, so we just have to deal with them. If pushed to put a label on someone who is physically attracted to "trannys", i would have to say they are bisexual, at least in the sense of physical attraction.

    What your sexual orientation is, is more to do with physical attraction, because as i say, i think you can have spiritual or emotional connections with someone without being physically attracted to them. You can have connections like that with someone who is only a freind.
     
  10. Kythlo

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    I was talking specifically about love, you don't love your friends the way you love your significant other. Orientation isn't mainly based on any one thing, it's not about pyhsical attraction for a lot of people. Like me, I'm attracted to personality not what body parts you have, thus making me pansexual. Becuase I dated a guy who is trans, is biologically female but identitfies as male, dating him I identified as gay then becuase it was him I was attracted to not his body. And you don't have to label it if you choose not to, no matter what anyone says. All you have to do is say I'm me, not straight not gay not bi not pan not poly not man not woman I'm me simple as that
     
  11. Invisible Soul

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    No, it isnt based on just one thing, i know. I just think a lot of people would find it difficult to have a physical relationship with a person they weren't physically attracted to, me included. It is great you can do that, and if we were all like that, im sure the world would be a much more harmonious place to live. Labels are in general, a lot more harmful than good. But i feel female inside, so i guess im labelling myself there, but that's just how i feel. But yeah, i dont label myself trans anything because that would be saying im changing who i am. Im not, im just changing the outside to match up with how i feel inside. Im not changing myself as a person in any way, so transgender/transexual is not a label i will accept. Even though most people would call me that. I'm a female who just had the terrible misfortune to be born with the wrong body.

    So i do hate labels, but then again i label myself a woman and straight in sexuality. But that's just the way i feel. I do agree with what you're saying though. At the end of the day, im just me, simple as that.
     
  12. Hoatzin

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    I'm wondering if it matters. Bi doesn't seem an appropriate term because he's only attracted to the male sexual organ when attached to a female body, not the male body, the male personality etc.
     
  13. Invisible Soul

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    I dont think a straight guy (or lesbian) who is attracted only to the female form is going to find male genitals sexually arousing. So, i still think bi-sexual is the appropriate term for someone attracted to a "tranny".
     
  14. oOo_Yarrow_oOo

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    This is an overly-genitally focused question with overly-genitally focused answers. A transsexual woman (one born biologically male but who lives as a woman) is still a woman, a transsexual man is still a man. Genitals have nothing to do with that, and I don't understand why some transfolk put up with people who make such a big deal out of them.

    If you are a man who likes women and not men, you are straight. If you like women and men, you are bi. If you are a man who likes men and not women, you are gay. While that's only scratching the surface, those are the basics, and penis vs. vagina has nothing to do with it. So if you are into ciswomen (non-trans women) and transwomen, but not cismen or transmen, you are straight.

    If this were say an after-the-fact surprise sort of thing... that may be a bit different. Say, for example, we have a lesbian who is dating another lesbian, but that lesbian decides within the relationship she is really a man and transitions into a he, would his partner be bi or a lesbian? A lot of people don't change those self-definitions when things like that happens, so she could very well keep the "lesbian" label... that's based on the fact that she just happened to fall in love with a woman who just happened to turn into a man and it just happened to not make her fall out of love with him.
     
  15. Invisible Soul

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    I am what most people would label as a "transperson" (even though i dont see myself as that), and i make a big deal out of them. Maybe that's because i hate my body, i dont know. I would never engage in any sort of sexual physical contact with anyone while i still have male bits, because to me that would feel horrible, unnatural and wrong. But im only applying that to me, if other's are comfortable doing that, then that is up to them.

    Sexual orientation does have to do with who you're physically attracted to, even if its not totally to do with that. As men and women are different in other ways besides just the bodily bits. Which is why people like me exist in the first place. Its all subjective, anyway. To some ignorant people, someone like me will never be female, purely because of the fact of the body i was born with. But i think that's just purely because they think it's a threat to their own sexuality, when obviously its not, unless the person in question still has features of/genitals of their born sex (not gender).

    To most people born in the wrong body, genitals are a big deal. If they werent, we wouldnt loath the ones we were born with so much, and want to get rid of them. The problem is people using genitals as a way of mislabelling someone as one thing, when inside they're totally different from that. I think the original question is one no one can really give a definitive answer to, but in my opinion, it means the person is bi.
     
  16. Mikon Cake

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    It doesn't make you anything. Everyone will have their own definition. You know what you like so what does it matter? :)
     
  17. Walelia2

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    I honestly don't know! I'm bisexual anyways, so its fine for me. :)
     
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    "Polysexual" could be appropriate.. being attracted to multiple genders, but not necessarily all, for example, a woman who is attracted to women and transmen.

    However, sometimes its better to refrain from labeling ones self, and just seeing where things go.
     
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    In my opinion,You're straight if the person is full on the opposite gender,regardless of birth sex.If they're somewhere in between...I'm sorry but your sounding pretty gay.I don't care either way if some ones gay.We're all people and I love everyone!
     
  20. Priscilla87106

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    Genitals do not make the man or woman, so attraction to certain genitalia in my opinion, is not the measure of a sexual label. I believe that we have the right of self identify as any sexual orientation we wish.
    After all there is more than just hetero- or gay. What about a MtF trans person attracted to a FtM trans person. Does not this coupling transcend the traditional sexual labels?
     

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