need help please

Discussion in 'Coming Out and Confused!' started by ukpokerplayer, Aug 13, 2008.

  1. ukpokerplayer

    ukpokerplayer Member

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    hi there people its me again, getting worse, startying to except the fact that i am attracted to men, as i think about them sexually everyday, but still confused about the fact of being with women, its like someone has turned my life around and that i only like men now, did anyone like picture scenarios of being like in gays bars to see how they would feel in that situation. i dont know where my life is going right now, my interest for womne has gone and sexually its like pussy makes me feel disgusted these days, does anyone have any advice
     
  2. twinmind

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    Dude,
    Let me start off by saying that I know I don't know you from a can of peas, but I've just gone through and read some of your older posts and I've made a few observations (which could very well be wrong).

    #1. Your questions seem to REVOLVE around sex.
    #2. You speak (spoke?) of women a lot differently than men.
    #3. You come across afraid for some reason.

    I didn't read all of your posts so you may have already addressed some of the things I may say or ask, so please bare with me...I'm just curious.
    I noticed in most of the posts I've read that you generally only refer to guys in a sexual manner (more frankly just to their cocks). But it's my opinion that attraction isn't just made up of one thing or body part. So I'm wondering is there anything about guys that attract you to them other than their cocks? I assume you've hung out with plenty of girls and found them sexually attractive, but was there anything else about them that attracted you? If so have you found that in another guy? Not to get all "psychobabbly" on you,but if you only look at guys as sex objects instead of people something inside of you may be amiss. Don't get me wrong, I understand sexual attraction is just that "sexual" attraction, but it seems to be a bit more with you. If you truly are bisexual (liking both guys and girls,for different reasons) then that's cool, but you just typed in this post that "sexually pussy is making you feel disgusted" which begs the question do you feel like you've been living a lie with women? Also you don't quite sound like you can fully accept having an "attraction" to men. So where does this leave you?

    I'm wondering if this sexual identity issue has more to do with something about yourself than men or women. It seems like you have problems accepting yourself as a person (which again I may be totally wrong). All conflict has a root cause and I'm wondering what yours is. I think if you can understand why you have this conflict inside of you about you then you can answer questions about yourself more easily. Again I'm only making an observation. You know a whole lot more about yourself than I do.

    PEACE
     
  3. ukpokerplayer

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    i dont know, so confused, its like i see two men with eachother, doing there buisness anally, and think i want a guy to do it to me, i mean i can look at men, and think wow he is nice, but i can also say the thing about women, but i dont know what answers i am looking for, what are the signs i should be looking for, i know it aint just black and white, i just cant stop thinking about this evertyday, it has caused my social life to go down the drain for two years now. i just feel sometimes that women dont do anything for me anymore, and that i want to be with a man, but also the same scared ov doing it, incase i enjoy it, its like i already know i like it cause when i think about it i dont get repulsed or anythign, whereas with women now, its as if i know it isnt for me, thankyou for ur last post was very nice
     
  4. ukpokerplayer

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    when u say spoke ov women differebntly ov men, was i more focused on men or the women
     
  5. twinmind

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    Hmmm...

    First off you're welcome for the last post. I don't mind sharing what little I know about life with anyone who wants to share in and gaining from anyone who wants to share with me. Life is much cooler that way. Anyway before I start rambling let me address your last post.

    You asked if I thought you focused more on men or women when discussing them. From what I could tell you spoke of them equally,but differently. As I said before when you reference men it only seems to be sexually. You reference women the same way,but there seems to be a tad more emotion attached to it. I get the sense (eventhough I may be wrong), that you have been with women out of a sense of duty and/or expectation. I think you may have even tricked yourself into being satisfied with women on some level because that's what was expected of you or maybe what you expected from yourself or a combination of the two. It's not to say that you completely 'learned' to be attracted to women (there may be some genuine attraction there), but I don't think your attraction to women is pure and/or natural...it just seems 'tainted' to me. However that doesn't suggest to me that you are genuinely attracted to men either. I think that if it was just about 'sex' with men you would have done that already if only just to satisfy your nagging curiosity about it. Somehow I think it goes deeper.

    JUST A THEORY HERE:

    I think your 'attraction' to men is really a muted need for healthy non sexual male affection and acceptance. I also think that this need has been confused with sexual attraction. Somehow I think there is a part of you that has never felt completely accepted by other males. You may have and/or had male friends, but I would bet that none of those friendships were beyond superficial. Most male/male friendships aren't which(on some level) is normal (gosh I hate that word) because men generally don't share emotions with other guys. I think that you are an emotional person (as we all are), but I don't think you have many (if any) people who you trust with your emotional side. I think your sexual conflict is an extension of something personal you may need to come to grips with. I don't know what it is (or even if I'm right), but if I am I would guess that whatever 'it' is is something unresolved and/or repressed somewhere in your mind.

    If I'm totally off base here I apologize because my intent is not to offend,but only to understand and help (as much as I can anyway).

    PEACE.
     
  6. ukpokerplayer

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    dude seriously are u into like helping people with therapy, cause all this emotional side, is kinda ov true pal, i mean i am quite to myself in my emotions, dont express them much, never want people to see i am upset just play it that i am cool, but deep down not okay, my ex nos about all these rpoblems i have being through with my constant battering in my hea ov being sexual with men, she use to say to me all the time, how can u be gay when u continue to sleep with me. i aint joking when i say this mate for 4 years everyday 24/7 i have thought about men sexually in a manner sometimes that i aint enjoying because it become mentally exhausting, is that normall, i know u hate that word, i also hate the word (because what is normal) but i just seem to be focused on the sex part of it with a man, its like all i want to be is dominated by a man, and pardon me for saying this, but fuck me hard so then i know what it feels like. just need a little help because my life is going down the drain these days. i mean i use to be all over women until this started happening to me. do you think me being with women has made me realise that it isnt for me. also once again tnakyou for the post
     
  7. ukpokerplayer

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    when u say my attraction for women isnt pure what do u mean mate
     
  8. twinmind

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    I'll start by answering the last question you asked. When I say that your attraction to women may not be 'pure' what I mean is it may not be 100% natural. Somehow I think you're the type of person who does (or tries to do) what's expected of you rather than what you 'want' to do. Perhaps you may not fully understand what it is you want to do.....if that's true welcome to the conflicting world of humanity! lol. Perhaps your attraction to women stems from their approval of you. I'm not saying that deep down you don't have a genuine attraction to women, but I am saying that you may have a need to please people. That could explain why you repress your emotions. While I'm on the subject of repression I'm wondering what else (if anything) you are repressing. I want to ask you some personal questions and if you don't feel comfortable answering them in the public forum you can send me a personal note.

    #1. Is there any abuse in your past? (emotional,physical,sexual?)
    #2. How is your relationship with your father?
    #3. How old were you when you first had these feelings about men?
    #4. Are you in love with the girl you're with?
    #5. Describe the guy in (or of) your fantasy. What does he look like? Is he someone you know? What is his character like?

    These questions may seeem irrelevant to you, but I'm sure that if you answer them I may be able to give you more perspective...(or at least more of my opinion). As I have said I don't know you, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in trying to be of some service here.

    Again I'm concerned about the fact that you reference sex so much in your posts. You're a young guy so I guess a part of that is to be expected, but I wonder about your emotional development and your ability to express your own emotions. Trust me there's more to life and/or relationships than sex and there's more to you than just your sexual orientation.

    Peace.


    P.S.
    As far as me helping people with therapy...no I'm not a therapist at all. Let's just say I have been through a lot in my life and I can recognize apples from oranges! Looking forward to hearing from you!
     
  9. ukpokerplayer

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    1. Is there any abuse in your past? (emotional,physical,sexual?)
    #2. How is your relationship with your father?
    #3. How old were you when you first had these feelings about men?
    #4. Are you in love with the girl you're with?
    #5. Describe the guy in (or of) your fantasy. What does he look like? Is he someone you know? What is his character like?


    1) never being sexually or physical, u will have to define emotionally
    2)it use to be good as a kid, then i went i bit pair shaped with me having curfews, and having to be in ata c ertain time, when my mates had to be in well later, basically my dada just wanted the best for me and didnt want to fuck my life now, but my realtionship now is good i hope, we have are occcasions though, just like any family
    3)i think these occured when i was like 18
    4) not in love with any girl, never being in love, had strong feelings for girls, i think, but here i go again, its like i am unsure what i meant to be feeling, how do u know u are in love
    5)i dont know it onvolves alot of men my fantasy i think, it like just all sexual and what i want to experience.

    thankyou for all ur help appreciate it

    p.s for 4 years my ex girlfriedn told me i have i thing called hocd i dont know if u have heard about, if not have a little reserah about it, and tell me what u think
     
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    what do u mean westerfield explain so i can understand ur issue
     
  12. ukpokerplayer

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    what do u mean you read my last post, please explain thankyou
     
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    hey twinmind sorry to pester you mate, i know u are probably busy with better thigs to do, but was wondering if you could reply to my last post, ur advice has being quite helpful to me so far
     
  14. dark suger

    dark suger Dripping With Sin!

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    dude i think u need to have sex with a guy but not normal sex u need to expirence the male form u need to find some one and have them just stand thaire as u get aquainted with men as sexual creatures. i felt like u before i was liek obsesed with men but when i sucked a cock for the first time i discovered i like woman more but that i liek men too bisexuality is very confusing but i think sex makes it less confusing
     
  15. ukpokerplayer

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    so what is the best way to go about it all i can think ov sex with men, getting fucked hard, and me doinf stuff tro them sexually, bvery graphic aswell, need help feel like i am falling into no where these days
     
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