New media push to show Russia as the bad guy.

i belive what Putin fears, is that if they let every state that wants to leave, leave, then russia will no longer be russia,, it wil end up like a big continent belonging to EU.

 

Not "evaporated" - if you read it properly, they have done their job and gone home.
Yes, a few countries have chosen to withdraw for other reasons, but that is their right.
The UK and the US will sooner or later "Bring the troops home" (the sooner the better).
The UK and US has already handed over provinces and such - and can reduce their troops accordingly.

I did not say it shows huge societal support for any issue.
You asked a question I attempted to answer it.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Us+UK+hands+over+provinces&meta=

Bookmark: http://www.mnf-iraq.com/
You will see:

Special Transition Teams Assist, Develop Iraqi Police Systems

Iraqi Army Takes Over Georgian Security Role in Wasit

Great...but all of the above is cheap words.
I see you did not bother to inform me of their "agenda", or provide any evidence.

I care the UK Defence budget is a third of our Health budget, not the other way around.
I care our foreign aid is rising.
I care about a plethora of things - too many things to name.
I don't care how much the US spends on training foreign military as it is for the right reasons.
Plus it has gone on for decades - most countries do it.
It is just like the UK training foreign police forces and training others in "peacekeeping".
It's "all good" as far as I am concerned.
You may care because you do not think so, which is fair enough.

The Russians have and are carying out activities beyond their remit, that's all I'm saying.

Behave yourself. Ofcourse they do.

 

Alright hold on, hold on, hold on, man. I've read all the posts up to this point but as far as it goes I don't see a point to this arguement. Russia was provoked into attackin' Georgia. Georgia fought back an' the U.S. became involved. Now the tensions between the nations is heatin' up almost to the meltin' point, due to several reasons which I've provided links to below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7utdAm_j0U
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26116598/
this last one I'll throw in to see if it matches your ideas on Russia an' how this is going to "play out" Gardener.
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/Russia_TaskForce.pdf

It is obvious who is right in this certain debate, but for the sake of pride we'll ask the question that should've been asked several posts ago.

What the hell is the fuckin' point to arguing about this anymore??? All of it is said an' done an' unless we can somehow come up with a way to stop another world war from happenin' this is pointless.

Now Gardener if you'd be so kind I'd like to hear your answers to Odon's questions. Stop avoidin' them please. He's answered your questions very well an' very truthfully so far.

 

Count me out of coming up with a solution to prevent a 3rd world war...as I don't think that is likely. Infact, I think for the forseable future, there is more likelyhood of life on Neptune being found.

It is strange how people apposed to war always seem to try and seek it out.

And you are worried by any of that?
All that is is an opinion.
An insightful opinion of the situation in Russia (past present future ) and an informed assesment of the US / Russia relationship.
Not an "agenda".
It chimes with a multitude of other policy groups and think tanks.

Thanks for posting it though, it was quite informative.

 

No Odon I don't nessesarily believe that there will be another war. But the likely hood is there non the less. I'm not a seeker out of war I simply prefer to examine all aspects of the situation at hand before I jump in.

No I was makin' the point that those theories didn't hold much ground in an argument.

Anytime, man.

 

If I Only Had a Brain

 

Then why say: unless we can somehow come up with a way to stop another world war from happenin' this is pointless.
That last line was probably unfair, but it does seem that people apposed to war attempt to find ways how others are going to start.
Maybe that is a good thing.
???

Whos theories CFR's or gardener's et al?

 

I much prefer your theories than your insults...
Why not cut and paste them from somewhere or write them afresh.

 

The world is shit. USA is screwed, no matter what president wins, also.

And also, in every nation, their enemies will most likely be represented horribly in media, culture, and so forth. It's been like that for ages.

 

What exactly haven't I answered?

 

Please point out to me documents from them (CFR) (not bullshit articles grasped from infowars) in the public domain, that illicit the notion this group have an "agenda".
You tell me that "agenda".
Then link up that, with the "agenda" in relation to Georgia
(given you say "I have no doubts how this started, and how it could possibly be played out").

 

Anybody for "1984"?

As the masses grow tired of hating one nation they make that nation an ally and turn the masses' hatred to another nation.

While they're watching the "Big Show" they take away everything.

What have you lost lately?

 

My mobile phone

 

See I told you!

 

I was referrin' to gardeners theories for the most part. While I do believe that our government is corrupt I do not agree with alot of the other nonsense that is thrown out there. Its like if you tell me bigfoots real I'd come back with show me the proof. An' the problem is there isn't much for bigfoot. Now as to the American government bein' corrupt, I can find much proof to that.

Once again here are a few links to emphasize my point
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SAC20050830&articleId=885
http://christiancovenanter.puritanhead.com/2008/01/federal-reserve-americas-corrupt.html
http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/3_March/030703_mn_american_legal_system_corrupt.shtml

Now obviously none of these links can be considered perfectly accurate let alone true. But you can't find any links that are from a "true" source on Big Brothers corruption due to the fact that certain people don't want it stated in fact, best left to theory.

Perhaps the U.S did plan this whole conflict with Russia out. It wouldn't suprize me an' the motive is there.
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html

Thats all I've got to say for now.
Peace love an' respect.

 

Ever thought about putting your own thoughts together and then articulating them? Maybe you have...but on some points you don't seem to decisive. I know there is a multitude of opinions out there, but I'd like to know yours. The "proof you highlight" is piss poor (pardon my English).
All it seems to be is inputing "US is corrupt" into google an picking a few links.

All your links are opinion with a few scraps of truth within.
Nothing that has not been said (pretty much) by others here.
Especially in relation to Russia.

This mosdef has been said here.
Where are the Georgian troops from Iraq now?
US trainers in Georgia - and?
It is also horribly out of date.


I don't want to hear fragments..I'd like to know YOUR and others POV.

 

Actually most people don't really think for themselves which is okay thinking is not that easy and so a lot of people kind of cut and paste others thoughts as their own 'cause that's what they believe and they think the other person said it better. Done it myself.

In fact odon I've seen the same or similar thoughts that you just posted before in hipforums and honestly they seemed rather rude and pointless then as well.

Oops, there I go again thinking and expressing my POV in my own words again, sorry about that!

 

Nobody is that original, it just seemed like Son of Peace was sitting on the fence, not expressing his own thoughts.

I was rude, intentionaly so...hope to get a reaction.

NO...Good for you...

 

http://www.cfr.org/publication/1486...tml?breadcrumb=/region/302/caspian_sea_region

Here's a direct link.