Ego Question

You're being a fish who when other people say "hey, there's air too!" you say, "nope, sorry, water is all that there is and I'm not going to try to do any better."

It's not a question of religion, I have no religious views. It's a question of Truth and choosing to remain blind, but to each their own.

 

No, you see, by you using the words truth and blindness, you are insinuating that what you know is correct and that what I know is false. Your beliefs clash with mine. What i believe to be the truth and what you believe to be the truth are two different things. That's what I've always hated about religious types, they always refer to their version as the truth and the people who don't think the same as being blind. I would never say anything like that about your beliefs, they are just as valid as any others (and I like them because they don't entail killing people who don't like them ). There is room for more than one philosophy about the world and life and all that, and there are lots of different eyes with which to see these philosophies. Nobody is blind to the truth, everyone sees it in their own way.

Just an observation: You are very attached to your beliefs and view of the truth, no? BTW thanks a lot for having an intelligent and interesting discussion with me, I truly appreciate it.

The Mushroom Man

 

I wonder what might happen if everybody dropped all of their beliefs and all of their opinions and all of their 'truths'?

 

Interesting to think about anyways.

Sorry I haven't PM'd you back btw killuminati (if your around), for some reason it won't let me and screws up.

 

People would all be creepily similar, but they wouldn't kill each other so often. All in all I think the world would be a much less exciting place.

The Mushroom Man

 

hehehehe

 

Haha, right on, but I get the feeling you're not understanding what's being said. I'm not attached to an idea of truth, because there is nothing to be attached to. There is no attachment to it, because it's not "my" Truth. It's just Truth, beyond the personal and relative. What I am talking about is beyond ideas. There isn't anything to defend, I'm just trying to help other people along the way.

In this cosmos there is nothing but subjective experiences; there is no "truth" within this cosmos and and set of concepts. Everything that can be sensed, thought, or imagined is subjective and therefore everything (views) is either all right, or all wrong within this cosmos.

But the Truth that I'm talking about is beyond beliefs and concepts. It just is it's own is-ness. "The I am within the I am." "I am that I am," etc.

That's why I say you have to experience it- it's not a learned thing, and until you experience it, there is no "base" from which to see other things, because everything in the world of phenomena and concepts is subjective. "Know that by which all else is known." Who is beyond the subjective? What is the base from which the subjective sprung?

*This is going to get a little confusing, but really try and absorb what I'm saying before letting defenses come into your thoughts*

You say nothing is beyond the subject, but you've never experienced anything beyond the subjective. So for you, having not experienced it, this is all that there is. Just as if no one told you there was a Paris, France, until you went there it wouldn't even register as something that was, because you wouldn't even know that it wasn't. That is to say, you wouldn't even know that you didn't know, so how could you wonder if there was a Paris, France with an Eiffel Tower, etc. And next when someone told you that it was, you couldn't really know until you'd been there. Then looking back on your past beliefs you would realize there was more than you originally knew, or could know, because you didn't even know that you didn't know it until someone brought it into your consciounsness.

This world is like that.

So in your subjective truth, of course there is nothing else, and you are right.

But in the Reality, there is more. Take it for what it's worth, hopefully this spurs on yourself or others to explore themselves a bit, but there's little point in discussing it further. Cheers