homosexuality

What exactly is wrong, if anything, reguarding homosexuality in accordance with god's plan?

 

No, it can't. Is god's plan reproduction? Gods plan also says a man should not touch a women during menstration, or seven days after, for she is unclean; and it also says adulterers should be stoned to death...

 

i dont think it actualyl says anywhere homosexuality is wrong. the people of sodom were not necessarily killed by god for being gay/bi, though they were killed for being rapists.

 

I'm bisexual and God loves me anyway. I know. His son told me himself.

(nope i'm not crazy lol...kinda sounds like it, but I'm not, it actually happened)

 

He loves you but not the sin

 

I of course know your point. However, this is still pointless as it doesn't change anything. I am bisexual, I don't see it as a sin, God still loves me, and I am confident about where I'm going when I die, and it ain't down below.

Just wanna make sure everyone who sees something wrong with my life knows how honestly right and secure I feel about all that and my relationship with God

 

Whether you see it as a sin is irrelevant to whether or not it is actually a sin. Perceptions do not shape actual reality, they simply shape how we react to it. How do we know whether homosexuality is a sin? We have to look to the scripture. Scripture is pretty clear on the matter. Whenever one starts looking for holes in the passages dealing with homosexuality, one begins to have to introduce loopholes in hermeneutics.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

At the very least, you cannot be bisexual and NOT commit adultery (or fornication, for those KJers). So, any way that you look at it, you are living in sin. I am not passing judgement and I do not condemn you, but you should be aware that your lifestyle, even IF you can somehow justify homosexuality, is not pleasing to God.

Like perceptions, feelings do not dictate reality. Remember what the punishment for homosexuality is? Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance. Without repentance, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

 

I do see it as a sin. However, we all sin, and in God's eye one sin is as eqal as the next. The only unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ.

Now, more on homosexuality. I see it as a perversion. A "love" if you will formed out of pure lust. It is not natural in my opinion. If homosexuality was natural, then you would see animals in homosexual relationships. Can you love another man or woman? Yes you can, I love my brothers, and my good friends. However, there is a line from love to lust. I do not lust after my brother or friends.

Anyways. You are free to bash me on my beliefs now. Have fun.

 

There has actually been large debate about homosexuality in animals, and what it means.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

http://www.subversions.com/french/pages/science/animals.html

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Homosexuality in animals

 

many animals are homosexual.. or just dont care..

 

yep they dont care. the only animals that dont tend to take part in homosexual acts are the ones that are physically unable too. that speaks for itself, pretty much.

 

I don't agree with it. But from a religious stand point, it was wrong. I do know however that Jesus died for all our sins? In the new testament isn't everyone forgiven? I think it's a sin, but it doesn't mean that they're going to Hell. Jesus does love everyone. Doesn't he teach love?

 

Here is an intersting letter I found written to Dr.Laura:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors.They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

 

didnt he also teach peace and understanding? it doesnt make sense to think that someone Born homosexual should be punished.

 

Yes I second that.

 

I think people need to read the new testament. That's a funny letter.

 

check out this link regarding the bible and homosexuality. It is really informative.

http://members.cox.net/paulmcc/mcc/samegen.html

 

Here we go again! It amazes me that people employ such strenuous mental gynmastics to deny the Bible's unequivocal condemnations of homosexual relations. Check out:

http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?151

and

http://www.leaderu.com/stonewall/issues/marco2.html

 

Scripture is one thing, but my relationship with God is another, and in my opinion, more important. I have Jesus in my heart, I speak with God. I used to have a lot of trouble with my feelings towards other women because of my faith. I did turn away from my faith for some time, for many reasons, one of them being that I felt it was wrong that I could be punished for loving someone with the same goods as me and actually feeling like I could have a romantic relationship with them. It was hard to accept. I came back to my faith, and still had a few issues with how my feelings and how my religion didn't mesh. Then I had an amazing experience, Jesus came to me, and I felt pure love and forgiveness. Ever since I have never felt any condemnation (except from this world) for the way my heart works and I honestly know that God is just as fine with it as I am now. I feel from my relationship with God that the sins I was forgiven of, were not my bisexuality etc., but my turning away from Him and giving in to what this world was telling me instead of feeling my love for whoever, living happilly with who I am, and keeping Him close in my heart.

I'm assuming you mean I can't be bisexual without cheating, and that if I don't sleep with both men and women while in a relationship with one that I can't be bisexual. That's completely wrong. I'm engaged to a man, I have never and will never cheat on him. I'm not even into 3somes (although I was interested in past relationships). I am, however, still bisexual. I am attracted to women and men. Had my darling fiance popped out of his mommy as a girl instead, I'm sure I'd have fallen in love with "her" and wanted to marry "her". But in no way shape or form does being bisexual mean I'm an adulterer. That's a misconception from witnessing too many people get into this bisexual "fad" thing, and just messing around with anyone and everyone and not looking for true love in any of them.

My heart is far from hardened. My heart has been more open since my experience I mentioned up there.

But anyway. I felt the need to explain but I probably won't anymore after this. There's really no possible way anyone who's ... not me, or at least who has similar issues as me, could really understand my relationship with God, and my faith. Honestly, I know a lot of fellow Christians, except those that are truly close to me, really just think I'm proably being decieved by the devil or something. I'm sure a lot of you think that as well. But I can positively, definitely, with all my heart, tell you that it is not the devil. It is God, loving me, a child who finally accepted Him into her heart after a long time of denying who He really is, as well as denying herself.

No hard feelings though. I didn't feel any hostility from your post and I hope you didn't feel any animosity from mine . Just disagreement due to different experience .


(I prefer to keep things peaceful as possible )

Ta ta!

 

well, maybe some of them critters do go gay...
but i bet you'll never see a male bonobo chimp putting on mascara & lipsynching to judy garland records...











j/k...


& about man's inherent sinfulness --- didn't mark twain say something about "any defect in the creature is the fault of the creator" or something like that? hehheh...