No kiddin' Rat... gun rights groups are critical of gun control groups? What a shocker. Quite a scoop you got there. Well that completely invalidates anything they have to say then, no need to even acknowledge the data.
Well, the data is deliberately skewed. That's what gun control groups with political agendas, that are foundation-funded, do. But if you read, they also said that anti-gun groups are also critical of the group as well because of their extreme stance.
I've heard pro gun groups are biased too. In favor of guns. Its a funny world. But you haven't actually said what it is about the data you don't like, other than this blanket dismissal.
It is false data. These anti-gun groups have been caught lying and lying over and over again. Just go to Google and type in "gun control, crime" and you will find hundreds of sources pointing to evidence that gun control has nothing to do with stopping gun violence and that the states that permit concealed carry have less crime. I think the 20/20 segment with John Stossel summed this up pretty well.
This is interesting. Do you know that more than 16,000 of the more than 29,000 gun related deaths are suicide? I wonder how many of the remaining 13,000+ are homicide and how many accidental? I have the impression that a great many child related deaths from guns are accidental with improperly stored guns in certain households. I don't think this really proves much about gun control, but it is interesting. Serious discussions of these matters are almost impossible because of the need to conform to politically correct views. Although I have no data, I find it difficult to believe that some of these western states have more homicides than the more urbanized states in the east or California and Texas. I don't know, however. Does anyone have reliable statistics on gun related crimes by states?
Gun control groups count people in their mid 20's has children. When a 22 year old gangbanger is put on a slab by the liquor store owner he was robbing it's just another "child killed by gun violence". Let's see the number of murders commited by someone who doesn't already have a lengthy criminal record. I'd like to know that.
atlanta, georgia is definately an ideal place for gun ownership. considering how frequent violent crime happens there. just remember, when seconds count the police are minutes away.
just look at the handgun ban in washington dc. washington dc has one of the highest crime rates in all of america. when washington dc has the crime rate of mayberry, then and only then could yopu conclude that gun control prevents crime. notice that at gun shooting ranges there is virtually no crime comitted.
of course, because even if illegal, firearms would still be on the blackmarket. take the shooting at virginia tech, regardless of the fact that there is concealed carry laws in virginia. this includes the right to carry a concealed handgun on college and university campuses. the assholes who run that college made a rule against concealed carry on campus. something tells me that a few more would have survived had virginia tech not gone against the wishes of the the people. what also puzzles me is why they didn't pull everyone out of class or block all the roads going out of and coming into the school? they just allowed classes to continue like normal while this was all going on. this guy was allowed to roam around campus and do what he did. as far as i'm concerned, the loved ones of the victims should have been allowed to sue virginia tech.
wow another gun topic. I would get involved but it would be a useless endeavor for me since it would probably be censored again. Let me just say there are many states that now allow CCW, none of these states have seen a surge or upturn in violent crime or murder rates. There are also literally thousands of examples of ordinary citizens preventing violent crime from happening becaused they were armed. Even examples of this happening on school and college campuses. Now we have the DC gun ban being overturned and ruled unconstitutional. The most violent city in the country, it will be interesting to see what happens there over the next few years. And I agree with others when you compare violent crime and murder rates (even strictly gun murder rates) in countries that have passed extremely restrictive gun laws that are now 12 years old you see no reduction in thier numbers of violent crime and gun murders from years prior to the restrictions.
So whatever it is, its false, even if VPC aren't the source (the source is the CDC, actually)? So have you. So you're very concerned about data reliability but you trust the result of a random google search? Hmmm... any chance you don't actually care what the facts are?
You don't see how gun realated accidental deaths are related to gun control, eh? Good question. Because I'd like to see that actual stats too. In fact, jeez I already posted them. But anyway, here they are again: http://www.vpc.org/fadeathchart.htm *Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Injury Control and Prevention.
...Care to explain the way the data is presented is fraudulent? Using a rate per 100,000 population is staple and standard measurements for death rates and such. The CDC makes no distinction between child or adult death, it's simply the death rate in the statistic that I posted. If you care to notice, the top gun death rates in states have a higher percentage of gun possession in the home than the lowest states do. That's not skewing statistics. That's making a chart and showing the actual data.
NM the chart explains better. Can you link to the source of the chart so the context and sources can be seen?
19.04 deaths per 100,000 isn't exactly a lot of deaths. doctors kill more people every year than firearms do. should we ban the practice of medicine because of this?
That's not the point. The point was to show that the national average gun related deaths was about 10. And the states that have a higher number of guns in the home have a higher rate, above the national average rate, than states that have a fewer percentage of personal gun ownership. My logic isn't "Well since cars kill more people than guns, let's ban cars!" but if you feel like you need to assume that was my logic, go ahead and attack that.
Missed the previous link, my apologies now if we could find a chart showing defensive gun uses by state we would really have something to compare.
You mean, homicide gun related deaths compared to ... "defense" gun related deaths? What for? To prove that using a gun to defend yourself kills?
