Christianity: False or True. An indepth look

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Son of Peace, Aug 1, 2008.

  1. Son of Peace

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    Now before I start I want to state that I'm not doing this for the sake of arguement. I'm doing it for answers. The reasons that I'm going to state below are the ones I have for not following Christianity myself.

    1: In the bible it was demanded by God that no man should touch the ark nor let it fall to the ground. In 1st Chronicles 13:10 one of King David's servents attempts to stop the ark from falling when the oxen carrying it become unsteady. Upon reaching his hand out and touching the ark he is instantly killed by God. Now to me this is a representation of God setting a trap for his people. How are you supposed to stop the ark from hitting the ground if you can't touch it man? This lead to my first reason for not entirly trusting the bible. Was this a form of malicious intent on God's part or am I mistaken?

    2: Cain and Abel: Now according to the bible God knows all that we are going to do in our life before we do it. He has our whole life mapped out before we are even born. So technically doesn't that mean that we have no true freewill? Abel in the bible was ordained by God to be His favourite. Cain was the murderer and the one who in many ways was shunned by God. I would provide a scriptural reference for this but most of the learned Church goers should know where Cain and Abel's story is in the bible. It is also stated indirectly in the bible that Cain is the forebearer of the Islamic believers today. If I could think of a better term for them I would but you get my point. If God knew Cain's whole life doesn't that mean he ordained Cain to kill Abel? And in doing so Cain had no real choice. God shunned him, God spat in his face when he tried to give offerings to him. And under the same context Abel was ordained to die. And all Cains decendants where cursed by God for Cain's "evil deeds".

    3: Also in the bible it states that the jews in specific are Gods chosen children. Well what about those of us who are not jews? what happens to us? And don't tell me Jesus because if God's original plan had worked out there never would've been a Jesus. His original plan was to use "His" people the Jews to make a perfect world. When the Jews rebelled against him he decided that his original plan wouldn't work so in comes Jesus. Which in essence leads into my next statement.

    4: Malachi 3:6 I the LORD do not change.

    James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
    1 Samuel 15:29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind. (See the same at Numbers 23:19.) Hebrews 6:17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.
    Above are several passages in scripture that state that God is unchanging. Yet from the Old Testement to the New is outlook on humankind changes radically. Instead of being the judgemental, unforgiving, unrelenting God of the past he becomes the loving, guiding, understanding father. If God does not change then what happened? Where did the God of the O.T. go?

    As was stated at the beggining of this post man, I do not seek arguement. Only answers. Thank you for your time
    Peace, love, and respect.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Okay, I’ll give it a shot. No arguing, just here’s the way I see it.
    First it was being improperly transported, when it was moved it was to be moved by being carried on the shoulders of two men using the poles provided not by ox cart. That would have made it less likely the ark would have tipped.

    Next, why touch the ark? If we are talking about God and it’s his ark, if it was beening carried properly could not God have saved it from hitting the ground? Where is the faith? Even if it had touched the ground God would not have punished them for an accident but the deliberate act of touching it, not by accident, was punished.

    First, although God has the power to know all things, when he gave man free will he knew that free will and him knowing everything can’t not both exist at the same time. So to give man free will, he stopped looking into individual men’s future so they could decide for themselves what the future will bring.

    This answers most of the rest but would like to say that in the case of the offerings let me illustrate it this way; if you and your brother each gave your mother a present, you gave her a bottle of wine and your brother gave her flowers and your mother who doesn’t like wine looked with more favor on the flowers would you kill your brother or would you bring her flowers next time?
     
  3. Son of Peace

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    ok those are some good points. If I had more time to sit down an' work it out at the moment I would. But what of the last question? I see your point about cain an' abel. And I suppose you are right but you also have to think about this. In modern society pyscho has been considered a genetic thing in several cases. Just like this 1 tv show that has different degrees of manics and how each degree acts. It goes from like 1 to 21.

    Where does it say in the bible that men were supposed to carry the ark? I don't remember that.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Chosen for what? To help carry out God’s purpose for the Earth. The Bible says that though Abraham the whole Earth would be blessed, not just the Jews. The Bible says the Law for the Jews was a tutor leading to the Christ. If that’s so then that law would have been without purpose if Jesus hadn’t come. In fact Jesus is a descendant of Abraham and is thus the way Abraham blesses the whole earth.

    You are not alone in thinking this, but it is simply not the case. If you decided to build yourself a house would you not first design and plan for materials and once that was finished would you not put on your nail apron and take hammer in hand and begin to build? What would you say if some one asks where is the designer and planer? Would you not say before you stands the designer and planer unchanged, I have just moved on the next phase of the work? And of course God's purpose for the Earth has never changed, his purpose is still for man to live forever on a paradise Earth.
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    Exodus 25:14
    Exodus 37:4-5
    1 Chronicles 15:11-16
     
  6. Son of Peace

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    Impressive, you gave me far more satisfactory answers than my dad, who is a pastor around your age, could give me. But I don't agree with your idea about Jesus being the blessing the O.T. talked about. But before I give my reason I'd like to know where in the bible it says that part about the Law for the Jews was a tutor leading to the Christ. Is that N.T?
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    These might help.

    Galatians 3:14
    Galatians 3:24-25

    PS I'm just an old codger that likes the Bible.
     
  8. Son of Peace

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    Hey don't get me wrong man I ain't got anything against the bible. i just don't entirely agree with it. Thanks for the scriptures too. Be cool man
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    Oh I just said that so you wouldn't get me wrong, I just like the Bible and I'm happy to try and answer Bible questions because it helps me better know the Bible. If you like the answers that's fine, but I'm not twisting any arms. 'Cause like I said; I'm only in it for the fun of it!

    Peace and Love and Sharing Man, Sharing,
    OWB
     

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