adolph hitler whilst having some very good ideas and some very bad ideas is someone who needed some serious psychiatric help. the hundreds of thousands of shell shocked, half blinded, maimed remnants of the german army that came back to civillian life were forgotten. any political leader who launches unjustified attacks on foreign soil and on his own people needs psychiatric help and ideally removal.
the biggest problem today is the lack of people who are thinking if violence solved all problems then why is it that we are still fighting? imagine this israel sits down and pays compensation to the gazans, hands back territories and the guidelines of the UN and israel and the palestinians make some rock solid concessions to each other. illegal settlements are removed both sides have to abide by laws that both sides have agreed to all the money normally spent on weapons is spent on cleaning the place up instead. the golan heights is initially declared a non militarised zone, the UN set up a buffer zone with both syrian and israeli observers to see how things go. the original owners of lands in palestine either go back to these lands with compensation or stay where they are and receive more financial compensation no more money is paid to religious organisations , they have become the prime mover for violence in the religion.
The key to making Israel work as a nation is to remove the idea that it's a Jewish homeland. (Gasp!) People need to put aside the labels of Jew or Palestinian or whatever and concentrate on just being Israelis. You can be Jew or Muslim after that fact. The way it is now just creates an "us" vs "them" mentality. You'll never get peace from that. And this flawed system is exactly what the US is perpetuating in the form of aid sent to Israel every year. We need to stop it so Israel has a chance to move in a different direction, away from zionism. x
well at any rate whatever ideas the fanatical religious mob have had in america and israel hasn't worked out for them. whatever grand design they had, obviously hasn't worked out for them for what - sixty years? in another ten years there will still be a thread on this forum and another of jehovah's little merrymakers trying to sell me a war. jehovah knows how much money will have been wasted by then? i'd say that on the present course america will be truly and utterly bankrupt in ten years time but you can be sure some people will be smiling. it is very difficult to wean people off violence especially when they aren't the ones doing it and cheering from the stands.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Israel is under intense scrutiny by the world right now. They may do something to throw up yet another smoke screen to divert attention. I think we are fixing to see some of that. These people are a long way from being done in the affairs of both nations. They've never had more power than what they have right now. They will not go quietly into the night. x
israel was caught shooting a blindfolded prisoner in broad daylight, i doubt if israel is under any scrutiny. turning off the money tap brings everyone to their senses, as long as these "wars" are encouraged and financed by the public purse there will be no end to violence. i wouldn't hold your breath
A while back, a book was published that brought the first real serious attention to the long history of the Israeli lobby and Israel meddling in the affairs of the United States. http://us.macmillan.com/theisraellobbyandusforeignpolicy The authors, both prominant scholars, were called every name in the book because of it. Their 73 page (PDF file) response to those criticisms can be found here: http://us.macmillan.com/CMS400/uploadedFiles/FSGAdult/Setting_the_Record_Straight.pdf Very detailed. Very professional. Let those who say I use nothing but conspiracy websites to back what I say digest this. x
The Scribe=Jewish supremacist It's that mentality that creates so much disdain for Israel today. Not just in America, but worldwide. At least he admits what he believes, and doesn't try to make the Israelis the victims.
he thinks this way because the talmud tells him to think this way. zionism may have began as a legitimate means to find jews a homeland and find jewish solidarity. but it has become a systematic form of racism, its odd how so many christians defend Israel. but will ignore the fact that it's widely reported that christians are oftentimes treated as subhuman scum in israel. this includes messianic jews.
i smell bullshit coming from you friend. if this weren't true people wouldn't be taking notice of this at all. if this weren;t true they wouldn't have people like daniel pipes and dershodipshit going on college and university campuses intimidating students and faculty who criticise israel.
the invasion of poland was hardly unjustified. prior to world war 2 polish attrocities against germans were well documented. hitler invaded the danzig coridor because polish bolsheviks slaughtered 5,500 german citizens without provocation. if hitler needed help, so did churchill. seeing as how he was just looking for any excuse at all to attack germany. it was him, not adolf hitler who declared both world war 1 and world war 2. nor did hitler ever order the bombing of any cities that had no allied forces occupying it at the time. the brits were awfully quick to destroy dresden when there was absolutely NO axis military presense there. i'm curious as to why nobody on the allied side was ever charged with war crimes.
the germans were also experimenting on jewish, gypsy, polish and political "radicals" in the concentration camps. this kind of behaviour doesn't strike me as being rational. the japanese were also up to no good with things like "unit 731". hitler was known to fly into rages at the drop of a hat, his official political language was odd to say. as i remember it the fellah who helped him write "mein kampf" was knocked off. as it is "mein kampf" is the title as suggested by his publisher (max amman i think) hitlers original title was very strange and long. of course one book or title doesn't make the man but it does give clues. ww1 created much upheaval in german society.
It was wrong for the U.N. to arbitrarily create a Jewish state out of a country of mixed ethnicities and religions. As for the british "creating" the problems in the middle east, that is wayyyy wrong. People have been fighting and killing each other in the middle east since people arrived there. Sumer and Assyria were killing each other before the Jews, and since Jews arrived, they have been the subject of much of the violence. Please don't call people who support Israel "brainwashed right wingers." Just because we don't subscribe to the theory you subscribe to doesn't mean we are a bunch of sheep. There are a lot of resources (books, websites, etc.) that blame all bad things on the Jews. there are also a lot of resources that blame it all on the Muslims. Fact is that it is somewhere in between. the Jews are responsible for some, the Muslims are responsible for some as well. It does, however, seem that the Jews get attacked simply for being around, and that it is the Muslims doing the attacking. Why the hell you would attack someone for doing nothing bad, I don't know, but people have their reasons. The USA supports Israel because we believe that Israel is in the defensive position, and that the Palestinians/Muslims/Arabs are the aggressors, which I believe to be true at the moment. Not to say that Israel and the Jews have never done anything unnecessary or over the top, but their actions are justified IMO because they are constantly being attacked, bullied and terrorized. if you were constantly being harassed by someone (they pull your hair, kick you in the balls, bite you, steal your valuables, you get the point), would you not at least tell them to stop? Well, Israel has asked, told and demanded that the agressors, whoever they be, stop, and they decline time after time. Even when the US intervenes and works out "peace," they agree, build up their forces, and attack Israel again. Israel has taken enough of it IMO, so why not let them settle it once and for all. If someone doesn't listen, sometimes force is required. I'm not trying to justify everything that Israel/ the Jews have done, only their current actions. The the OP, this such a complicated issue it is very hard to come to a concrete conclusion, if there even is one. you have to do research and hopefully draw from both sides to find your own beliefs about this very touchy subject. I hope my post has helped a little bit. The Mushroom Man
Oh, and Xexon, as "your brothers keeper," shouldn't you care about all of the Israelites that have been killed by Arab and Muslim extremists for no reason other than being Jewish? It'd be pretty cool if you would reply to this with something besides a link, but hey, I'll take what I can get. The Mushroom Man
Unfortunately, Xexon, like most people today, rely on word-of-mouth information, beit in print from books or the Internet, rather than plain and simple "come see for yourself" fact. In America the courts would call that Hearsay. So all you'll get from him is misinformation, whether it be from his links or from his own "word-of-mouth" misinformation. HTML:
Thanks dude! Hell, I don't even know why I look at these boards, they are just depressing and make me angry, but I suppose living in happiness all the time makes one weak. The Mushroom Man
darrellkitchen Do you have a monopoly on the truth Darrell. I do not think so. Not even close. Alas people that think they do never do. Which is common. Mushroom man Oh so it was the sole responsibility of the UN then. Really give me a fucken break
Iran has NEVER attacked Israel, nor have they ever threatened to do so. Mossad also knocked off Lebanon's president. i won't call them right wingers, but people who support Israel mroe often than not are brainwashed.
Never said I did. That's your projections. Glad you can think FOR me. Takes the burden of thinking off my hands ... NOT !!! HTML:
Why would we be brainwashed? I would really like to hear your explanation of that! That was a very stupid thing to say, you cannot possibly prove it. i understand you may think that they are brainwahsed because you don't agree with them, but that does not mean they are. Oh, and I might be wrong, but I don't remember syaing iran attacked israel, just Muslims/arabs/Islamics in general, which IS true. And yes, althought many Jews, "zionists" apparently, did support a Jewish state in Israel, the U.N. is the one who actually went through the process of creating it. It'd be a much better opinion, IMO, to move all of the Israelies to America. It is safer for them and nobody would be displaced, except for them of course, but they might like it. The Mushroom Man.
