you can do it youself...i wouldnt buy it from a supplier it sounds dodgy...buy good quality weed and extract it by yourself
Aye Carrumba, Oily Shitt!!!! I dont even know where to start! Jus bout the whole post was pure bullshitt! Im not shure if I remember reading ONE true statment in the entire post! This is like "the idiot calling the dummy stupid! Theres NOTHING bad about an isopropel alcohol extraction. Their is NO addatives in ISO. What the poster is mistakenly refering to is ethyl alcohol. Thats the other rubbin alcohol. Theres Isopropel and denatured ethyl. Its the denatured ethyl alcohol you cant use, thats because its basicly drinkin alcohol thats used for topical rubbin purposes. Its first treated with a denaturing agent to discorage drunks from drinkin it insted of usin it properly for rubbin purposes. Iso rubbin alcohol has no denaturing agent in it wich makes it perfict for Herb oil extractions. Theres nothing elce in it besides iso and it evaps off completely and is perfictly safe and healthy to use. Please disregard everything tabascohash posted. HEY tobascohash. Why dont ya go and google up somma the stuff I just posted so that youl know what yer talkin bout! Dont forget, "a little knowlege can be a dangerous thing". -And alot of MISINFORMATION can be even worst!
Canni, I found one true thing that tabasco listed: 'Everclear leaves no harmful chemicals or sugars behind.' Everclear, at least in the US, is USP grade (US Pharmecutical grade) Ethanol, with a 95.6% alcohol content, with the remaining 4.4% water. (the 190 proof varity) It leaves 'nothing' behind as far as harmful chemicals. It is illegal to sell the 190-proof variety in some states of the U.S., including California, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Washington. In some of these states, the 151-proof variety may be sold. the 151 proof is 75.5% alcohol with the remaining 24.5% being again..water. as I live where I can get the 190 proof, it's my solvent of choice. especially if you feel the need to 'dewater' it to get the alcohol up to 99% or higher, you can use dry, unscented bennonite clay (clay cat litter, the really cheap stuff) to absorb the water, and you can then filter through a coffee filter. me, I hardly bother with that step, as 95.6%'s more than high enough, and keeps me from using butane or anything else. expensive? a bit, but I figure it's quality work.
From what I understand when everclear evaps off it leavs a small ammount of sugars. Thats great if your eatin your product but when sugars are burnt theyr slightly carcinogenic. I never tried it. I always used ISO when makin oil. I always used the Quick Wash Iso method. I forget who came up with it but I got it at OG. Thats where I got the everclear info also.
I was curious, so I called one of my chemist friends, and he said 'the pollutants of everclear come to less than .1%. That's why it's USP, is that it contains only alcohol and water.' He said if it was a choice in something ingested, even after evaporation, it's what he'd choose. As he's working for his organic chemistry doctorate, I trust his opinion. He said the 'sugars left behind' from the everclear evaporating was a new one on him, but what he thinks it is are dissolved plant sugars from the extraction process itself, which 'would happen with any alcohol based extraction process, regardless'. That being said, as far as the ISO goes, it's 'gras' (generally regarded as safe), but it seems that it's all down to personal preference. You use ISO, I'll use everclear, and we'll both do fine, because so long as our ingredients are as pure as possible, our chances of getting anything nasty are going to be minimal. assuming the everclear product has a trace amount of sugars in it, I'm ok with that, as I'd rather risk the fumes from burning sugars than some of the other methods seen here, especially if it means I'm not going to worry about a static spark lighting up my day. Just wanted to defend everclear for a while, but it's not a crusade or anything. We're all friends here, and I respect your information Canni, but my 'trusted source' is giving me something different. So I must agree to disagree.
That bein said, mabey Il give everclear a try. I got my info off the Quick Wash ISO Extraction thread at OG. Who knows for shure bout how much sugars are left after evap. I guess we could send some oil to a lab for testin or something but WTF.<<(snicker snicker) Your sorce sounds prety respectable to me. Blessins on ya my Brudda! -Just an afterthought... Could you ask your sorce if ISO comes from plants like everclear? I never studied it or nothin but I thought it was cracked offa petro.
If you're using isopropyl alcohol, it's an alcohol made from combining water and propylene, which propylene (or propene) is found in coal gas, and is a leftover from cracking petroleum or can be made by dehydrogenating propane. It's an intermediate in the manufacture of acetone and polypropolyne plastics. it comes from plants...from a few million years ago. if ingested, the liver metabolizes it into acetone, and gloves are recommended in the use of, as it can be toxic from ingestion, inhalation, or absorption. Isopropyl alcohol is about twice as toxic as ethanol, comparatively. his comments are 'not the worst thing one could use, but I'd want to make sure the end product was exceptionally dry, and that it didn't oxidize into acetone at any point along the way.' if you're talking about 'rubbing' alcohol, that's watered down (usually about 30%) ethanol, with some denaturants in it. bad mojo to use, as the denaturants don't evaporate out, and are likely to bond to the thc instead. In the United States, rubbing alcohol, USP and all preparations coming under the classification of Rubbing Alcohols must be manufactured in accordance with the requirements of the US Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, using Formula 23-H (8 parts by volume of acetone, 1.5 parts by volume of methyl isobutyl ketone, and 100 parts by volume of ethyl alcohol). It contains 68.5-71.5% by volume of absolute ethyl alcohol, the remainder consisting of water and the denaturants, with or without colour additives, and perfume oils.
Is he talkin bout iso rubbin alcohol? Thats what Im talkin bout. The stuff at the drugstore for $2. Hes not sayin that you need gloves to use rubbin alcohol is he? I mean the 70 to 97% kind. Definatly NOT the denatured ethyl like you said. Its just like you said with the foulin agent in it. Its drinkin alcohol with a petro based fouling agent in it to keep you from drinkin it. Thats the stuff that, like you said would leave a petro based foul in the oil. I mean use the iso rubbin alcohl. Definantly not the Ethyl rubbin alcohol. Ya gotta watch when yo buy it, theyr usually next to each other.
iso alcohol is what most people get when they ask for 'rubbing' alcohol. in large amounts, yes, it is hazardous and should be handled with gloves and ventilation. rubbing alcohol, in the US follows a specific formula, which is the stuff with the denaturant. Iso alcohol is intended mostly for sterilization of equipment and electronics cleaning. There are two different things, no identical at all, with the names being used interchangeably, and I think that's part of the confusion. rubbing alcohol - denatured drinking stuff Isopropyl alcohol - mixture of water and petroleum crackings either way, I think I'm going to stick with everclear. Neither one of those sounds attractive to smoke with my 'oil'. for what it's worth, the rubbing alcohol is usually denatured with acetone or a bit of methanol (wood alcohol, usually used for paint thinner) so using one or the other would be just about as bad, as they're both likely to contain hydrocarbons (acetone and like compounds).
As far as I know iso evaps away clean. Why elce would ya wanna clean electrics with it? Iso rubbin alcohol dont have any denaturin agents in it. It dont need to be denatured you cant drink it. I was aware you could clean electronics with it but I always thought of it as rubbin alcohol. Smater o fact I even bathed in it a couple times when I was real sore from work. 16 oz to a tub o water. Makes a great Oil too. But anyhow, if your buddy says the ammount of sugar left is negligable mabey its alrite. But I gotta tell ya that its not to appelin to me to have to find everclear and then pay for it to melt my trichs with, only to have it leave sugars in my product when I know iso evaps away clean. Mabey if you were gonna cook with the everclear oil it wouldnt mater cause the sugars are only carcinogenic when burnt. Thing is iso is just as good for cookin purposes and a fraction of the price. As far as I know iso evaps away clean and has no detrimental effects on a body when using an Oil product made with it. It cant have a detrimental effect because its not in the product any more. It evaps out. Ya know, the more I think bout it, I dont want sugar in my oil. Im just gonna stikk to iso Oil. The whole idea behind Oil is to get nothin but the melted glands. I dont want nothin elce in there. Il tell ya what. Its cool if ya like your Oil with everclear. I think Im just gonna stikk to iso Oil. I really like ice Hash alot more anyhow. Sory for disagrein with ya Brudda. But far as I know what Im sayins true.
yeah, I'm more for ice extraction anyhow, but as i said earlier, we're capable of agreeing to disagree over this. Not a problem brah
Canni, just an update, I caught my friend and pegged him with the sugars question. His comment was 'any alcoholic extraction of plant matter's going to leave trace sugars. It's not a question of how clean the solvent evaporates off, it's that alcohol as a solvent also is a solvent to sugars, so using alcohol to take anything else out of plant materials, you're going to get some sugar pollution anyway. BUT...even with some of them being carcinogenic when burned, the amounts are going to be so trace that you really have nothing to worry about it. If you've smoked cigs, or cooked outside, you've breathed more carcinogens in a couple lungfuls than you will off the trace amounts you're going to get this way. And you owe me some hash for all the %$#^ questions.' So it looks like, either way, everclear or iso, we're good. Rubbing is questionable, because of the denaturant, and butane is...well..butane. We weren't really either one wrong, but nor were we either one fully right it seems.
Yea. It seems to be a mater of preferance my Friend. wWWHHhheee Doggy. Im bout 5.5 weeks away from first harvest. That Hash'l come soon after! I dont think the petro based products leave sugars tho. But I have read in one post about iso molecularly bondin a negledgable ammount of somkinda undesirable stuff to the canibinoids. I dunno. Either way, iso or ethyl, it seems theres some info on somekinda crapp in there we dont want in there. I guess it all just a mater of deciden wich crap ya like least. Im just gonna stik to the iso when I want oil and evap it away real real good! Ya know what I been seein on the WeedTracker alot? Lotsa Folks are goin for bho. In shurly stikkin to ice Hash. Nothin in there but Trichomes!
Ice hash is surely the way to go, as the oil question's pretty academic to me since I've had ice extracted...I got spoiled....lol
