So here's my problem. I started a bunch of clones before I was truely ready for them. By that I mean that I used the same light that I was already using for 12 plants that ranged from 12 in to 20 in in height. Thus making it so that the light was awfully far away from the clones approx. 2 FT! They had to stay like this for just under two weeks while I built my secondary grow room. Now I have all 12 of the new clone plants under one 400 W HPS bulb (Hortalux) that is set only 4 inches above the tallest plant. Unfortunately, that plant is already 11 in tall and only has 7 nodes. It is by far the leggiest plant I've ever seen. Anyways. The reason I am posting is because I need to know if just having the light that close will stop the legginess and stubby them up or if there are additional measures in which I need to take. Or if there is even anything I can do to stop them from being so leggy. Any responses would be much appreciated. Thank you.
got a question about the grow, before I can offer you any real advice. dirt or hydro? (is this the same grow you talked about in your 'weak stems' thread?)
Born25yearstoolate: Hydro (ebb and flow flood table) and No. this is not the same grow as I posted in my "weak stalks" thread. That problem was all hashed out and I have now started 12 seperate plants. The 12 I am growing now are in no way connected to the 12 of the other post at all.
ok, for your ebb and flow table, this should make it easier, as it's the same technique as dirt. Have you heard of 'layering' as a cloning technique? basically, what you do is trim the leaves off one side of the plant,, spray all the cuts with hydrogen peroxide to keep fusarium from giving you shits, lay the plant down so the nodes are 'buried' (leaves up) and clip off what 'was' the main growing tip. (used to be at the top of the plant) This stops auxin production and causes the nodes to send out side shoots. It'll send shoots upwards, and adventitious roots downwards, which'll give you basically, in your case, 7 clones, connected by one single stem. That way you can drop the lights really close and get the short bushy growth you want without trying to 'fix' the plant, and can actually get a lot of bud that way, as it's similar to LST. I don't know the 'particular' ins and outs of it applied to hydro grows, but I think an ebb and flow table should work the best with it. With 1 plant, with 7 nodes, you should be able to get the equivalent of 7 little bushies, all connected by a big fat stem that's feeding them from the main root system, as well as from the root system the nodes put out. I've seen quite the harvest when this was done in dirt, and because you're not separating the plants, there's no shockiness. Air layering weed plants isn't so easy, but the 'ground layering' technique is what I'm discussing here. here's the wiki on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layering I've specifically 'legged out' plants to do this to them, but as I've said, I've done mine in dirt. also see http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/89806-chap-2-propagation-cannabis-part-2-2-a.html and scroll down to the 'layering' segment of the post
sorry I couldnt find it till you lit it up.... LOl. let me, read.. one sec.. Why the height problem? CLones I got are not clones now, they are easy pushing 3ft.. thats the indica clones and the others are about 2 1/2 if not 3 also.. Its sometimes hard to get them to grwo up keep em bushy and stubby cause of heat, lamps and food they eat.. My suggestions will not be good since thats not my medium. I say let em grow, your paranoid.. IDK.. lol. one lamp and all those plant? hum... very stressed some areas will be they are overcompensating with vergi grow, this could be branching and leggey.. .. Much like they would if you picked off flowers during flower cycle.. they will brance and stop making flowers... and the less light one area it gets the difference in growth it will be, if it cant do whats it should its gona do what it needs to do to survive the conditions.. Its a living organism.. it dont care what you think it should be doing... Sorry much help I can be.. wheres pics? that would help.
yeah, that's the only real solution I could come up with myself, but I'm not very experienced in ebb and flow myself. I'd say it 'should' work, given the nature of the plant. It's why I gave our man so much info on it, as he could see if it'd be something he'd want to risk trying. Granted, risk is minimal so long as he keeps the 'wounds' from taking off the side growth clean, he won't get a fusarium infection, and laying it down is just 'basically' LST, but it's up to him. With the node space so leggy, I'd be really reluctant to top the plant, beyond just an inch or so to promote side branching, as he's going to need all those nodes 'for' the side branches, (with it only having 7, that's an issue) I wish the OP good luck, though.
I thank all of you who have contributed to the subject. My appologies for not resonding quicker. I lost my internet for a minute, but now I'm back. As you can see. Anyway, I like the idea of ground layering. After I look over some more info to truelly understand it, I do believe that this will be the route I try. As it seems that the majority of advice I am recieving is from soil growers, I will keep you all posted as to how things are coming and whether or not this is a valid solution in the ebb and flow system. Thank you all again. A Special Thanks to Born25YearsTooLate for the external links and extra information. Much appreciated.
Not a problem, and glad I (and the other guys) could be of help. As said, I know it works in dirt (and works well). Keep a report on what happens with the ebb and flow system, and keep us updated.
not much help I was I really didnt understand his problem.... Must of been a long night for me... Hope it work out for him.....
