My 5-meO-DMT looks odd

ok, i am still waiting on the evaporation of water from what will hopefully be 3-6mg in a teaspoon with NaOH.

If the use of that appears to be more effective, i will look into a more ideal conversion for the bulk of my product.

PS: when converted back to freebase, approximately how much mass will be lost? (5%, 15%?)

 

I don't know how much will be lost, but I know that just putting it in basic water won't work. Add a little more water (make it total maybe 20-30 ml) and add more NaOH (I'd say maybe make it equal a gram total) then put it in a Ziplock baggie. Add a little naptha (Ronsonol lighter fluid - you'll only need MAYBE 10 ml, I'd do 20 to make it easier to work with) and shake the shit out of it. Let it separate and repeat a few times. Hold it by the corner and let it all drip into the opposite corner. Poke a small hole in the very corner and let the water drain off. Collect the naptha in something and let it evaporate.

The way you're doing it now, you're just gonna mix a lot of NaOH in with it, which isn't fun to smoke. Also, what I just explained sounds like a lot of work, but it's really not at all. It may take you 20 minutes to do, then wait for another 20-30 for the naptha to evaporate. Much quicker than waiting a day or 2 for water to evaporate.

 

ok, because i want to get this perfectly straight: If i want to convert 400mg to freebase, i would:

1) put 30ml water, twice the mass to be converted of NaOH, 15ml naptha, and 400mg of 5-MeO-DMT (HCL) into a ziplock bag (<- 6X8 cm kind?)

2) shake for 1-2 minutes
3) let seperate

4) repeat steps 2+3 several more times
5) drain only the liquid portion
6) let liquid portion evaporate to leave pure 5-meo-dmt freebase

question: is the solid portion needed, or just garbage at the end?

PS: sorry to be so long-winded. just wanted to make a relatively clear version of these steps for future viewers

 

For 400 mg, I'd do maybe 50 ml of water and about 5 grams of NaOH. Then add about 30 ml of naptha (you probably don't need that much, but it won't hurt and it'll make sure you get everything out of it.) If you have litmus papers or a pH tester, get it to pH 12.

Yep.

No, both layers will be liquid. Your 5-MeO-DMT will be in the top layer (the naptha.) You get rid of the bottom layer (but not until you've evaporated everything, just in case you fuck up) and save the top layer.

Also, after you separate the water & the naptha, put the water into another bag and add more naptha again. You don't want to waste anything. If you get more crystal from pull 2, try it one more time. You're using a tiny amount of naptha, so you should have plenty. Just keep adding more naptha to the water after each time until you don't get any more alkaloids back. Working with pure crystal like this, it shouldn't take more than 2-3 pulls max.

Let the naptha evaporate to leave pure 5-MeO-DMT freebase.

If you follow my instructions and you get a solid before everything's evaporated, your shit was cut.

No problem. If you have any more questions, ask.

 

gonna repost the finalized version of instructions now:

ok, because i want to get this perfectly straight: If i want to convert 400mg to freebase, i would:

1) put 50ml water, 5g the mass to be converted of NaOH, 30ml naptha, and 400mg of 5-MeO-DMT (HCL) into a ziplock bag (<- 6X8 cm kind)

2) shake for 1-2 minutes
3) let seperate

4) repeat steps 2+3 several more times
5) drain naptha portion (top layer)
6) add more naptha and repeat steps 2-5 several more times

7) let naptha portions evaporate to leave pure 5-meo-dmt freebase

final questions:
1) full size sandwich bag will work fine?
2) if the original salt is tan/brown, will the freebase be as well?
3) will the freebase crystallize moreso than the salt was?
4) what kind of naptha is best? (white naptha?/odorless/etc.)
5) would acetone work also? or is naptha better?

PPS: could i just get a few confirmations of this before i attempt, since (no offense), id hate to trust dumping my 100$ compound into a bag of chemicals incorrectly because one person said it. (though it does sound like a perfectly reasonable method)

 

For the record I have some faith in 36fuckin5

In my best Ben Stiller voice...

DO IT!

 

lol. just wanted confirmation, as too sure is better than pretty sure.

edit: got myself some naptha (robsonol or something like that) at canadian tire.

edit 2: realised that baking soda is NOT NaOH (luckily discovered BEFORE attempting) and realized that i do not have any NaOH (lye) around. where do i find lye locally?

 

Yep. For #5, I'd word it as "drain the bottom layer off" but you seem to get the concept.

Anything that'll hold your solution will work. Gallon size is just easier to work with.

Should be, but I'm not sure. It should be the only thing that will crystallize. I've never worked with 5-MeO-DMT, but I know it works on the same principle as n,n-DMT.

I'm not sure what you mean?

Just normal naptha. I get Ronsonol lighter fluid. It's clean. Whatever you use, just make sure to evaporate maybe 50 ml down and check for any oily residue.

No. Not at all. If you have to make a substitution, use dichloromethane, xylene or heptane. I do believe that all of these will sink in an aqueous solution, though. You should check before using any of them. You don't wanna throw away the long layer.

Actually, I highly suggest that you do. I'm not a chemist, but I've done a few A/B extractions, and this is only the second half. You could check out http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=174 and ask there. stupid noob or JoePedo are the 2 there that really know their shit more than anyone else.

Baking soda may work, but I've had trouble with it before. Totse can help you with that question, too.

 

checked for lye locally. no luck at home depot, shoppers drug mart, or home hardware (though they can order the 2kg jugs of it)

however, the local IDA offered to order a 100g bottle for 8$, but it will take 2 weeks, and i cant really wait.

any ideas?

edIT: I live in mississauga, ontario. so many chains that carry it are not in canada (ace, valu, etc)

edit 2: I can get drano crystals, but it contains more than just lye. this is the chemical composition of it: http://scorecard.org/chemical-profi...d_name=CRYSTAL DRANO ALL PURPOSE DRAIN OPENER
-can i extract just the naoh?

 

The only place around here where it is available is ace hardware.

 

This originated with a great vendor who was doing 2X the weight for the same price as for pure 5-meo-dmt, you probably got it from a reseller or middle man who didn't bother to mention it was badly oxidized. It is no more dangerous than usual, but it is a good deal less potent. You don't need to freebase it, it is already smokable, you could try to clean it with a naptha pull but it wont really matter much, you will have a purer product but the weight lost will be significant.

 

lye can also be found pure at "home hardware" if you live in canada,the brand is "old dutch". happy researching..

 

unfortunately, my local home hardware no longer carries small lye bottles, only several kilogram jugs.

however, i located some 2% sodium hydroxide solution. will this work, or can it be evaporated to a more ideal purity?

also, is what phen-research said true?

 

The 2% NaOH solution will work if it's only NaOH and water. Check the pH of it. If it's around 12, you're good. If it's higher, evaporate it down a little (shouldn't put off any toxic fumes or anything) and keep checking it till it's about 12. Higher is pH OK, lower is not. Then you can just dissolve your 5-MeO-DMT in that instead of mixing it yourself.

 

ok. i figured it would be fine. though evaporating the water would increase the percentage of lye, and therefore Ph, wouldnt it?

and its pure sodium hydroxide and distilled (or deionized-cant recall offhand) water acording to its MSDS sheet.

how much would be required (at 2% NaOH) to successfully freebase 500mg of the hcl salt?

 

At 2%, I don't think you're gonna be able to do it. The water won't be basic enough. But the way you describe it, it should work just fine if you evaporate it. And yes, evaporating will increase the pH. The thing is, it's not about getting enough lye in there to do it, it's about the ratios. I mean, you could probably do like 50 (seriously) pulls with your 2% solution and eventually get most of it back, but it'd take you forever and you'd end up losing a lot.

 

update: FINALLY got around to evaporating the lye solution. its probably closer to 20% now, and strangly took a slight yellow tint to the water while boiling. (probably from metal pot?)

due to the small amount at the minute, i will attempt it with about 100-200mg worth of the 5-meo-dmt and see what happens using the fore-mentioned technique

 

i wish you good luck... between the long wait for the product and the work to make it useable, i bet you are going to feel pretty damn successful tripping your balls off on it

 

im hoping so. also, on further nvestigation, i suspect that my NaOH solution is about 15-20ml at 30-40%. looking at the liquid i can see the near-crystalline texture on its surface, meaning its esentially at full solubility. however, i cant understand the yellow(almost piss) colour to the liquid?

second, despite storing the dmt at approx 15C, it appears to have partially liquified and will require refrigeration or freezing to crystallize again i think.

seriously, ive got a long weekend coming up, and this looks like the point where the 100$ and countless time has paid off. As dirty as it is, will a well-made lightbulb work to vaporize properly? it has 2 straws to allow air in and out through the 90% airtight bottlecap.should i keep heating it until smoke begins to leak out, or split into 2 hits?

 

update: finally preformed the first extraction. using approx 200mg of the salt in with roughly 10 naptha pulls, I estimate i extracted about 150mg (some still remains for later)

will test this weekend finally and report back. also, any meathods better than lightbulb?