A desperate Bush.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gardener, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    This morning's press conference is one of the strangest I've seen. He's all over the place.

    Hope you are all watching.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Doesn't it make you feel warm inside that the government is going to be there to save us? I'm so happy!!!
     
  3. hannahannahannah

    hannahannahannah What's a Palindrome?

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    Well, I missed it - how bad was it? How can it be much worse than what we've seen all these years? You now, officially have me scared Gardner. :ack2:
     
  4. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    I'm not worried about Bush. He doesn't run the country.


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  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Well it was supposed to reassure us that the economy is good, which it isn't.

    The parts I resented were his comments on off shore drilling and why 4.00 gasoline is good for us. He actually smirked when he said that now that gas is so high consumers are driving less. Almost the same reaction he and Cheney had when Enron raped and pillaged California. He and his friends are growing obscenely wealthy while the consumer is forced by manipulated markets to agree to things like drilling in ANWR that they know is wrong. When asked why he doesn't release some of the oil reserves his only answer was that their purpose was to be used in an emergency. But allowing offshore drilling will give our oil companies more leverage in market negotiations ten years down the road. Well releasing some of the reserves would do the same thing today.

    He just looked petulant one moment, flustered the next, agitated and angry another. If it was reassurance he was selling he didn't get his point acrossed.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Actually he wasn't promoting the government saving us, his line was that the market would.
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Is he telling us oil companies have or have not utilized the leases they already own? Or is he telling us they can't make money on these leases, but they want more of them? I am not sure what he was saying?
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    One of the most puzzling parts of the press conference was his open disappointment that free trade agreements haven't been signed by congress with Colombia.

    Isn't Colombia one of the most drug trafficking countries in the world, haven't they participated in human rights abuses. Why should we open trade with them?

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/business/inside/colombian.html


    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/02/05/colomb3722.htm


    http://www.coha.org/2007/02/preside...p-to-latin-america-where-he-will-see-no-evil/

    http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2008/Venezuela-Colombia-US12mar08.htm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-p...ichaud/colombia-free-trade-agree_b_95704.html

    http://www.coha.org/2008/06/free-trade-with-colombia-mccain’s-misguided-campaign/

    Why should this be good for US citizens? Why should we trade with terrorists?
     
  10. armed_with_a_mind

    armed_with_a_mind Member

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    then who are u worried about?:)....:confused:
     
  11. BlondeAngela

    BlondeAngela Banned

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    Actually, Bush, and his administration, do run the country in some ways.
    It was Bush that decided to invade Iraq.
    Bush, unfortunately, does make some decisions.
    And he isn't getting good advice either from Cheney, the neo-cons, the robber barons, etc..
     
  12. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Bush didn't decide for himself to invade Iraq. He was told by his globalist puppetmasters to invade Iraq. The plans to invade were written up by the Project for the New American Century a decade earlier, and the members of this group would come to dominate his cabinet in large numbers.

    Bush runs nothing and that is a fact. Cheney calls the shots at that level, and even he must answer to people above him.

    It's the internationalists, central banks and corporate elites that dictate to the president what he does. He decides nothing for himself, and if he was able to muster up the brain cells to even think for himself, he would find himself out of office fast. The reason Bush is in office is because he can't think and readily does as he's told. They want a puppet who can be easily manipulated, and that's precisely what Bush is.
     
  13. BlondeAngela

    BlondeAngela Banned

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    That is kids stuff, typically immature, tired and worn out, leftist radical, conspiracy theory excuses for Bush. You are letting Bush and Cheney off the hook too easily.
    You can't say they are just puppets, and the elites made them do it, or the devil made them do it, or the neo-cons made them do it.
    Bush and Cheney are grown men, educated at good universities. They need to take blame and responsibility for what they did.

    Of course Bush is influenced by others, but he does make some decisions himself. Obviously.
    You can't just blame it on the neo-con elites, the corporations and the banks, and say that Bush and Cheney are just puppets who are too stupid to think. Bush was a lazy irresponsible student who didn't get good grades, but IQ wise, he is not that stupid. And Cheney is an A-hole, but he isn't stupid.
    Bush is not our brightest president, but it is absurd conspiracy theory BS to say that Bush doesn't think about things, or make any decisions. Bush is dumb, but not that dumb.
    In fact, there have been books written by insiders in the White House who have stated that Bush did unfortunately make too many decisions, that he was stubborn, and didn''t listen to others, sometimes not even to Cheney or the neo-cons, and certainly not to some of his best generals and political and military advisors. That is part of the problem, the idiot Bush did make some decisions.

    Bush deserves much of the blame, he can't just shift responsibility to others.
    He deserves to be impeached, if not imprisoned for his traitorous lies.

    Bush is a part of that elite group. Just shifting the blame to others, and saying Bush is too stupid to know better, lets him off the hook, and that is irresponsible. He doesn't deserve to be let off the hook, he signed on to it, he made the final decision, whether people believe he is stupid or a "puppet" or whatever.

    Bush is in a leadership position. So is Cheney. The buck has to stop somewhere. They can't just say that some elite made them do it. They signed on to it, they went ahead with the Iraq war and they made other bad decisions.
    Bush and Cheney didn't have to, they could have overuled the neo-con elites, but they chose not to. The buck stops with them. They signed on and made the ultimate decision to invade Iraq.
    Regardless of the influence of the elites, Bush and Cheney deserve the most blame.

    Reagan didn't invade Iraq, he backed Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war.
    Bush Sr. could have gone into Iraq after the Persian Gulf War, but he didn't.
    Clinton could have invaded Iraq, but he didn't.
    But George W. Bush did invade Iraq. That is the bottom line. And Bush and others in his administration lied to get America to go to Iraq.

    Bush and Cheney blatantly lied to the American people, and no more excuses for them. they need to be taken to task, they should be impeached and in jail for lying to the American people in an unecessary war that has killed and crippled hundreds of thousands (including Americans), destroyed the economy and infrastructure of a countrry, and caused four million refugees.
    No more excuses for Bush and Cheney, saying Bush is dumb, or the neo-cons made him do it, etc..
     
  14. wackyiraqi

    wackyiraqi Senior Member

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    It would be good for everyone. It would stimulate the Columbian economy and open up markets for products that Columbians produce. Could likely increase employment in legitimate areas and reduce the lure of Coca farming.
     
  15. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    Columbia is a taxpayer money pit.

    We've pumped untold billions into this country over the past 25 years or so, and yet the drug problem remains as fierce as ever.

    The war on drugs is a lie. Columbia is just a toehold in South America for imperialistic agendas born north of the border.

    Columbia is all about securing positions of strategic interests for future use.



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  16. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    What exactly would we be importing more drugs? Perhaps big pharma has a use for them I don't.

    Are these examples of what we wish to flood US markets with?

    http://www.productsofcolombia.com/

    Coffee we already import and have for years.
     
  17. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    lol, you think putting up or keeping up trade barriers between the u.s. and colombia will discourage drug trafficking? The drug trade is lucrative because of the demand for it and the risks involved. for some people it's the only thing they can do to survive, opening up the trade would give the colombian people more alternatives than what the they currently have. It would have a negative effect on the drug trade.

    the best way to fight the drug trade coming from that country is to give them the opportunity to sell us something else.
     
  18. BlondeAngela

    BlondeAngela Banned

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    But what do the Columbians have to sell us, other than coffee, that Americans can't make or produce ourselves, or that we already don't have coming iinto the U.S. from other countries?
    Responsible international trade between countries that respects the environment, human rights, and workers wages, I respect.
    But not all of these so-called free trade agreements do that. You don't decimate a first world country's industrial base and the world's environment, and first world workers wages, just to have cheap consumer goods, or to please some irresponsible robber barons.
     
  19. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Colombian Exports to U.S.
    Of the $9.3 billion in American imports from Colombia in 2006, the following product categories had the highest values.

    1. Crude oil …US$3.5 billion (37.3% of Colombia to U.S. exports, up 5.5% from 2005)
    2. Coal … $1.2 billion (13%, up 24.8%)
    3. Green coffee … $594.6 million (6.4%, down 0.6%)
    4. Nursery stock e.g. cut flowers, Xmas trees … $455.4 million (4.9%, up 7.2%)
    5. Cotton apparel & household goods … $321.4 million (3.5%, down 12%)
    6. Gold … $306.6 million (3.3%, down 4.8%)
    7. Fuel oil … $257.6 million (2.8%, down 51.3%)
    8. Fruits & preparations including frozen juices … $210.6 million (2.3%, up 0.2%)
    9. Other petroleum products … $198.7 million (2.1%, down 1.9%)
    10. Other textile apparel & household goods … $150.1 million (1.6%, up 7.8%)

    Fastest-Growing Colombian Exports to U.S.

    Below are American imports from Colombia in 2006 with the highest percentage sales increases from 2005.

    1. Nickel … US$1.4 million (up from $0 in 2005)
    2. Copper … $1.5 million (up 966% from 2005)
    3. Measuring, testing & control instruments … $4.4 million (up 145%)
    4. Woodworking, glassworking, plastic & rubber … $8.6 million (up 144%)
    5. Other precious metals … $21.1 million (up 142%)
    Yes, and so are these.
     
  20. BlondeAngela

    BlondeAngela Banned

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    Of course we already either produce all of that ourselves, or get it from other countries, so that doesn't prove anything one way or the other.
    The questin is not if Columbia has products to export, most countries do, the question is does Columbia have environmental laws, good workers wages, and respect for human rights. How they do things and what kind of trading partmer would they be is the question.
     
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