~90,000 civilians have died in Iraq since 2003

Not trying to be some liberal hippie queer here, but that's fucking terrible to think about. Can anyone really say that 90,000 people dying is a good thing?

 

Everybody's gotta die.

 

I don't think it's good to call Hippies queer

Peace

 

Are those all war realted deaths? How many died in another similar sized country in the middle east since 2003?

 

First of all, how does it make somebody a "liberal hippy queer" to be concerned about the slaughter of innocent women and children? I am neither a liberal, nor a hippy, nor a queer. But I do have a conscience, and what has been done over there in our name is nothing short of a most horrific atrocity.

Secondly, 90,000 is a very, very conservative and/or outdated number. There were reports coming out four years ago of more than 100,000 dead Iraqis. The fact is the number is now closer to 900,000. This report from CNN, dating back to October of '06 reports 655,000 dead in Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

We are also being lied to about the number of dead Americans in Iraq. While we are told the number is around 4,000, the reality is that at least three times that number have been killed. Because keep in mind that when someone is taken out of Iraq for treatment and later die, they are not included in the official death toll. They are only included if they die in Iraq on the spot.

Of course, there are literally thousands more US soldiers who have committed suicide upon returning from Iraq, on top of the countless thousands upon thousands maimed for life because of the injuries they sustained.

Let's also not forget the fallout from the depleted uranium, which will claim many thousand more lives over the next decade.

 

These numbers aren't right at all.

Those Islamic extremists need to step up and kill some more Americans, in order to restore some balance.

 

So you're saying that Iraq attacked us on 9/11??

 

No, I'm saying that 900,000 dead on both sides would look a tad more natural.

 

who exactly is considered a civilian? how many of them are dead from violence by american soldiers? i hate statistics. they leave so many freaking questions.

 

5 american civilians died in farmington last week alone.

 

Real easy to explain that many civilians. Most of those fighting are not military so they would be counted as civilians in the first place. Besides war is hell!

We need to have alot more people die (any nationality) to reduce global warming and economic issues.

 

i died in Iraq and came back alive in the US

 

90,000 is nothing.. 258,389 people were killed by vending machines in April alone

 

For the record.

The number is above 100,000.

That number above 100,000 are war deaths. No offense intended, butt suggesting otherwise shows a lack of perspective.

The number above 100,000 is really hard to predict because it depends on the methodology. Like who we're calling war dead, and who's dead because of the complete destruction of infrastructure (hospitals, potable water) and the gigantic diaspora population which is impossible to predict using any methodology. Iraq has the largest internal diaspora population in the world.

We know well over 5 million people are missing. A large number of them have moved to safer places. Some of them are dead.

The troop surge has somewhat decreased violence in Iraq. Much of the reason this has happened has been the shift of logistics from Afghanistan to Iraq. This has made Afghanistan significantly more deadly than Iraq.

 

That's what Al Gore would have you believe.

 

see? now THAT is handy. i wanna see a breakdown of the number, get my head around it. i need more info!!

 

How many american soldiers now?

I looked that up the other day but forgot. And the research wasn't that straightforward.

 

I found some articles that looked really intricate but you had to pay.

Diaspora populations.

People who are forced out of their homes and disappear. Many of them are fine in safer areas, and some are dead.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070507/jamail
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19055852/

Public heath.

These are things like diabetics who can't receive medicine and perish because of the disruption of the medical infrastructure of Iraq. Those aren't war deaths, but the numbers are staggering.

These are also be many deaths attributed to infrastructure destruction by the war. Like I mentioned no potable water or electricity for refrigerating food.

http://www.emro.who.int/iraq/ifhs_report.htm
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11629-iraqs-hospitals-buckle-under-conflict-pressure.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D03E2DD1F3AF937A25751C0A9629C8B63
http://www.who.int/whosis/mort/profiles/mort_emro_irq_iraq.pdf

Direct civilian casulties.

These are causlties from someone being shot by our troops or by roving baathist execution gangs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7180055.stm

That's based on a report for the WHO performed by the Iraqi ministy of health. It is in my opinion the most reliable, and it has a wide margin of error, so the number the report actually states is between 110 and 250,000. It has a 90% margin of error. That's war.

here are some different number supplied.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/year-four/

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Documents/TABLESreligioncorrected.pdf

http://web.mit.edu/CIS/pdf/Human_Cost_of_War.pdf

So in my research, I would say it's around 100,000 war dead, and several times that number for deaths from causes that are related to the war.