If someone were to sniff DMT, which would be the best form to have it in? I'm assuming that the normal freebase would be terrible, just judging by the way other drugs work. Would an HCl be best? That seems to be the form that most insufflable (I don't think that's a word) drugs are in. Also, does anyone have an idea of the dosage of another form? I'm assuming that because you're changing molecular weight that it'd be much different.
Ive thought a lot about this. One of my most intense dmt experiences was when I insuffilated 150mg of freebase dmt. The trip was incredible. Highly visual... similar to when vaporized but the effects were "fuller" and lasted longer. Of course, it was extremely painful. The pain distracted from the experience because it was impossible to ignore. Im pretty sure its extremely hard to get DMT HCL to crystallize... Ive heard of many people being unsuccessful at it. Ive thought about trying DMT Citrate, DMT Acetate or DMT Fumarate, but unfortunately don't have the ability at the moment to try making any one of those. Hopefully someone else has some experience in this department.
the baset way to do it is to free base it out of a light bulb. there are how to's on google. basicly pop off the copper part clean it out put the dmt on the bottom then use a lighter to heat it but do not tough the bottom of the glass with the heat source. use a straw to suck the smoke out of the light bulb
Yes, vaporization is a great way to obtain effects from DMT freebase, we are interested in exploring other routes of administration with DMT, such as insufflation. I suppose its a matter of finding which salt form to use. Further research has confirmed that the hcl salt is not going to work because it won't crystallize. From a post at bluelight, it looks the fumarate and maleate salts of dmt both crystallize pretty easily.
Actually, the best way to do it is through a special DMT pipe. I've got one. It's got a 3-tiered bowl. You put plant matter at the bottom to catch what melts and sucks through, a middle screen to put the DMT on and a top screen to hold ash or more plant matter to stop the flame from hitting the DMT. pedaltopedal, thanks, that's some good info. Any idea on the weights vs freebase and if changing to a salt would effect bioavailability? I've been searching, but can't find what I need.
The potency of the chemical will change because of the added weight of the salt. The change in potency will depend on which salt is used... Im no chemist, so I cant verify these numbers, but Ive read dmt fumerate is 76% as potent as dmt freebase, therefore requiring 31% more to acheive the same effects. So it would take 131mg of dmt fumarate to acheive the same effects as 100mg of dmt freebase. If interested, I can PM you the links where I got this information. If anyone can confirm or deny this, that would be great.
That would be pretty awesome. If I can just get the different molecular weights, I can figure out a starting dosage.
DMT molar mass = 188.269g/mol, Fumaric acid = 116.07g/mol, Citric acid = 192.123g/mol (anhydrous) 210.14g/mol (monohydrate), Maleic acid = 116.1g/mol, Acetic acid = 60.05g/mol
^ Thank you nofx Still would be great to hear from anybody that has any experience or knowledge on this subject. I'm aware of people converting dmt to hcl for IV purposes... sounds easy enough but unfortunately the hcl salt will not crystallize. I also remember reading on a forum somewhere where somebody though about making a liquid solution of dmt hcl and water for nasal administration through a sprayer. Sounds intriguing, but dont know how well it would work... especially considering the dose required for a dmt trip would probably be 100 to 200mg.
