Was I treated unfairly?

I get along except I have different views of bud being legal and we've argued about that. And he won't let you wear a hat backwards cuz you'll look like a gang banger.

 

i think you had every right to cuss them out. they he had no right to fuck up what you said and physically take your phone from you while you were turning it off. i would have freaked the fuck out on him and tell him to chill. i hope ur P.O. takes it easy on you cuz it wasnt your fault. okay well it kind of was your fault that you got your phone taken away because you did have it out durning class blah blah blah. but im sure you already knew that one. well best of luck to ya man. peace

 

I think you could have handled it better, but for him to take your phone forcefully while you were trying to turn it off was definitely uncalled for. He should have allowed you to take the battery out, there was no harm in that and it was actually very smart of you to think of that. There was no reason he could've had a problem with that unless he had every intention of violating your privacy and going through it (perhaps he was pissed that you, a lowly student, tried to thwart his unethical snooping). All you were trying to do was protect your privacy.

Try not to cuss out your teachers though, it'll only get you in more trouble. If you'd held your tongue and he still sent you to the principal's office, you could've defended yourself better and perhaps gotten him in trouble for what he did as well.

I think if a teacher is going to confiscate your property, they must respect privacy and return it immediately when school ends. But I guess expecting ethical treatment of students from the school system is asking too much.

 

Well, in quick response to Zengismo's query, it is often a matter of pride, when I know I have done nothing wrong, I will not accept accountability for it. However, when I know I am guilty of something, I generally accept full responsibility, and attempt to make amends as best I can. I know some things just aren't worth the effort to fight, and I guess that could be considered a flaw in my personality. However, when something cannot possibly have any far reaching consequences, is simply not of great concern, and I have higher priorities/other things on my agenda I will simply dismiss the issue. I guess picking your battles is an important skill, which I haven't developed sufficiently, with the result being that I suppose I have to put forth a greater effort than necessary to get past some hurdles.

As to why I chose emancipation, unfortunately the extenuating circumstances are that my parents recently separated, and I felt the environment that they would have provided would have been unhealthy(I went to my uncle for support when I enrolled myself in boarding school) and I didn't want to give one a legal advantage over the other in the division of assets. I only left once they began trying to run each other over in cars, though. I was trying to make a joint custody arrangement work.

 

i totally think the teacher was wrong to touch you or your property without your consent. if he wanted to confiscate the phone, he needed to wait for you to hand it to him, or send you to the office for not complying with his request, rather than physically attempt to take it from you. not to mention the ethics of his exaggerating what you said about the vice and principal. i had a similar situation in school where i said something less than christian, and the nun was so shocked that when she repeated it to the priest/headmaster, she said it WAY worse than what i had said. and it sucks, i know.

HOWEVER, you were the one in the wrong to begin with. and i think your punishment should be whatever punishment would be given for that offense. to suspend you for something this minor is totally wrong, in my opinion. but just be thankful you're in public school and not catholic school, like i was. it could always be worse!

 

Regarding nakedtreehugger's note: I never had the joy and privilege of the Catholic experience, but have heard much about it. The best people seem to acquire an amazing sense of humor from the experience. Many others desert the "faith." I only escaped from fundamentalism as an adult, but I think there are parallels with some people's Catholic experience. Your insights are always illuminating and helpful.

Damiennotloc, thank you for explaining - it wasn't necessary, but I'm grateful for your help in understanding your situation and reasons, because it helps me and maybe others in our spiritual paths. You made your situation quite clear. You have my deepest sympathy and respect. I truly feel you're a very special person, and may God help you and bless you through your trials. I have a son who is almost as old as you, and though I think he's an amazing person in lots of ways, I see that he has been sheltered from some of the kinds of experiences you've been required to deal with - and it appears you've dealt amazingly well. I'm sending you love, because I think this is something that has been too scarce for you, and in sending it to you I'm paying back an amazing person who gave to me when I needed confirmation some years ago. May God and his angels and the spirits bless you and strengthen you.

 

your teacher grabs your phone from you. you say the people in charge suck nuts. someone's got to be an adult here... and if you're not going to step up to the plate, expect to find yourself taken advantage of by a lot of people who don't like the submissive asshole.

 

the weirding of this question is really weird. you weren't justified lipping of to your teacher in front of everyone. he has every right to reprimand you. but, them sending you to jail so fucking harsh, it's nuts.

 

should have just handed him the phone after you turned it off....then sent your parents to get it. You knew that talking shit to a teacher/principle would get you suspended and being on probation you really have to watch your P's and Q's. When i was on probation for felony possesion if i got arrested fr anything it was automaticly excelerated to a suspended sentence (meaning i would then have a felony convicion on my record) I barely even went 5mph over the speed limit let alone talk shit to an authority figure.

While the teacher may have been a dick, you knew that you cant talk shit to someone without there being a punishment. Especially infront of other students. That forces the teacher to flex his nuts and make an example out of you.

 

Him taking the phone like that was pretty lame, but you shouldn't have said what you did in return. But you wouldn't have said it if he didn't take it, so mainly it was his bad imo.

 

I just couldn't sit back and take shit, I think its in my blood to be a defiant bastard even if I fuck myself.

 

Let me start by saying that these words written by damien show him to be a very intelligent person. I currently work in a pharmacy as a technician and I'm trying to get into school to be a pharmacy doctor. I deal with assholes on a daily basis at work. When someone is mad at you and being aggresive towards you it is always a good idea to stay level headed, keep your calm and talk it out. Your calm nature will be contagious towards the other person, and so will your aggresiveness. How you act affects how the other person acts.

But, I have a question for Damien (Sorry to steal the thread, but it's kind of on topic.) You said you are 15 y.o., though you said you told the forums you were 10 when you signed up. But your file says you are 26. So, what's it gonna be, mate.

I have also worked as a substitute teacher, and I still do work at the school sometimes. I would NEVER grab something from a student, especially after a first offense. I have on several occasions made a student give up there phone after I told them to put it away. One time I took away a students mp3 player (Not ipod, it was a sansa.) and put it in the teacher's desk. Somehow it got lost. I ended up in front of the principle of the school being interogated as to whether I stole the thing. I own a better mp3 player, a toshiba with more memory. So why would i steal a 2 gig when I have a 10 gig. Also, I had never done anything before so had to believe that I had not done anything wrong. Maybe another student saw that I put it in the desk and stole it, I dunno So, I would be worried to take a student's property, unless they were continuously using it in class when I told them not to. I don't think teach can take something away from you. and never aggressively. Assault, I don't know about that. But I never act aggresively towards a student.

But, if, when I was a kid, a teach tried to aggresively take something away from me, I would do as Damien said. I would keep a firm hold on my property, look the teacher in the eye, say "I was in the process of turning it off to save battery. Then I will be listening to you." Teach should let go, then you put it in your bag and get on with life.

Never, ever curse out someone of authority. And never curse out one authority member to another authority member. That just goes with the whole idea of keeping your head. If you tell your teacher that the principle sucks nuts (Even if it's true.) The teacher will almost always tell the principle what you said. Then you are in DEEP shit.

Good luck in your legal battles.

 

I held on as long as I could but He is a coach, after the whole class told me that I did indeed say "Sucks fucking dick" I went up to him and apologized.

 

I'll say, in the long run, you got fucked.

You mentioning that he is a coach reminded me of something. When I was in the 7th grade I broke my arm. During PE class one day they had to move some bleachers out of the field. So coach gave me his hat to hold on to (I had an arm in a cast, I wasn't lifting shit.) and he and all the other boys put some muscle into it to move the bleachers. When they was done, my friend Garrett took the hat and started dancing around singing "Look at me I'm coach Rynning!!! Look at me!!!" Coach tried to catch Garrett to take his hat back, but couldn't, cause Garrett was quick. Finally Coach punched Garrett in the shoulder, which knocked Garrett to the ground and Coach took his hat back.

Needless to say Coach wasn't at work the next day. Even though Garrett was being a dick, that doesn't justify Coach's response. And according to your telling of the story, you were being nowhere near a dick as Garrett was, so that definately doesn't justify your teacher's response.

 

I think I would like that coach! I'm that kinda guy.

 

when they take your phone away, they usually suggest u to turn it off, but the rule is to take your phone, not a part of it.
it kinda happened to me,
and they will never go over your phone, if they will u can sue their ass for millions!!!

 

first of all, this sounds really immature. You don't tell an authority figure they've got issues, even if they do. You also don't tell them that their boss "sucks nuts", because even if he knows they DO suck nuts, he can't agree with you---the pricipal and VP are your teachers' BOSSES.

If there is a rule about cell phones in school, which i'm sure there is, you shouldn't bring your phone. If you choose to use some bullshit excuse about your parents needing to get in touch with you, blah blah...then the phone should be set to silent/turned off, and left in your locker.

And even if you're a good kid and this WAS the first time, what happens when another kid is on his phone, and gets in trouble and then says "well, Pushit was on the phone and didn't get in trouble"...it's a vicious cycle.

2 more things:
1: Tool rocks. Maynard is genius.
2: Respect your elders, even if they are douches.

peace.