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  1. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    amerika

    does not attack
    it defends.

    Freedom, liberty.

    twice in contemporary history america has moved
    without being attacked
    vietnam.
    iraq

    both are total disasters.
    How many times does it take?
    The germans had the hutzpa to fight on open field.
    they lost.. numbers. [though their skill nearly won them the day]
    They had the Raw GUTS to fight america on a field of battle.
    The germans may be arrogant priks.. but you have to give it to them.. they are nearly as arrogant as the USN...LOL
    @ kassarine pass and 'bulge', omaha and Nimagen[a bridge too far]. they held the day. the best of them is easily better than the best of us.[oohh that will trip a few wires,, hehehe]
    I'll give rose and his tank regiment 7 out of 10 for effort..[ no actually rose was brilliant] i take that back.
    Panzer Lehr existed as a thing. potent and awesome in its skill
    Iran never will[produce such an entity] ever

    occam

    hows that for controversy.. bet i'll get a few hits.
     
  2. memo

    memo Member

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    What is your timeline when using the word 'contemporary'?
     
  3. mykittyhasaboner

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    it does attack, the US is an imperialist state. and it only defends it's interests.

    freedom to wage slavery for the state, liberty to live consumerist lifestyles.

    i guess by contemporary you mean 20-21st century
    you forgot:
    Korea
    Persian gulf
    yugoslavia
    grenada
     
  4. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    you forgot Kosovo, Liberia, Panama, Cuba, the Phillipines, Haiti and Bolivia.
     
  5. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    memo

    1901 to now

    occam
     
  6. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    Korea.. Nk attacked 1950 they crossed the border with 500 thousand troops

    Persian gulf.. iraq attacked kuwait they crossed border with 200 thousand troops

    yugoslavia.. serbia attacked croatia/bosnia. Unrestricted war by serbia on border nations... DEFAULT

    grenada aint a country..its a joke. US citzens 'were in peril'...lol Actually grenada was nancies wet dream.

    Razor of Occam
     
  7. mykittyhasaboner

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    North Korea was a proxy war, that counts as imperialism.

    Iraq attacked kuwait. so in order to protect capital in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the United Nations intervened.

    NATO bombed non-military targets all over the balkans. plus the United States sided with croatia and bosnia in the first place because capital such as petrol are abundant there. the us is still in bosnia. imperialism.

    New Jewel (a Leninist group) overthrew the government of Grenada.by default the United States must intervene, as they have in Latin America since..well ever.
     
  8. mykittyhasaboner

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    i knew i forgot some! its hard to keep track, so many victims of the US nowadays.
     
  9. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    My kitty
    Korea was actually ' we gave them this cause we were busy elswhere.'
    N Korea was default givaway to USSR in '45
    5 years latter it charged south.. a test of western will.
    And safe for USSR.. they sat back and watched.. that was what it was all about.
    korea was a test
    the west passed
    luckily stalin went in the dirt in '53... thank god
    or we all might be now wisps of carbon in the upper atmosphere.

    Actually i think US simply forgot truism.. DONT EVER get involved in balkans.
    Are they still in bosnia.. thats news to me.

    True look at chile/. poor south america badly used since spaniards[and french and poms] showed up on coast.
    Price under Polk blew the crap out of them at vera cruz and since then they have kept their heads down.
    I've always had a lot of respect for them.
    they blew it in 80's with falklands...that was just macho dumb.
    to loose entire airforce to a squadron of harriers...
    but otherwise


    occam
     
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    Balbus Senior Member

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    1903
    When negotiations with Colombia break down, the U.S. sends ten warships to back a rebellion in Panama in order to acquire the land for the Panama Canal. The Frenchman Philippe Bunau-Varilla negotiates the Canal Treaty and writes Panama's constitution.
    1904
    U.S. sends customs agents to take over finances of the Dominican Republic to assure payment of its external debt.
    1905
    U.S. Marines help Mexican dictator Porfirio Díaz crush a strike in Sonora.
    1905
    U.S. troops land in Honduras for the first of 5 times in next 20 years.
    1906
    Marines occupy Cuba for two years in order to prevent a civil war.
    1907
    Marines intervene in Honduras to settle a war with Nicaragua.
    1908
    U.S. troops intervene in Panama for first of 4 times in next decade.
    1909
    Liberal President José Santos Zelaya of Nicaragua proposes that American mining and banana companies pay taxes; he has also appropriated church lands and legalized divorce, done business with European firms, and executed two Americans for participating in a rebellion. Forced to resign through U.S. pressure. The new president, Adolfo Díaz, is the former treasurer of an American mining company.
    1910
    U.S. Marines occupy Nicaragua to help support the Díaz regime.
    1911
    The Liberal regime of Miguel Dávila in Honduras has irked the State Department by being too friendly with Zelaya and by getting into debt with Britain. He is overthrown by former president Manuel Bonilla, aided by American banana tycoon Sam Zemurray and American mercenary Lee Christmas, who becomes commander-in-chief of the Honduran army.
    1912
    U.S. Marines intervene in Cuba to put down a rebellion of sugar workers.
    1912
    Nicaragua occupied again by the U.S., to shore up the inept Díaz government. An election is called to resolve the crisis: there are 4000 eligible voters, and one candidate, Díaz. The U.S. maintains troops and advisors in the country until 1925.
    1914
    U.S. bombs and then occupies Vera Cruz, in a conflict arising out of a dispute with Mexico's new government. President Victoriano Huerta resigns.
    1915
    U.S. Marines occupy Haiti to restore order, and establish a protectorate which lasts till 1934. The president of Haiti is barred from the U.S. Officers' Club in Port-au-Prince, because he is black.
    "Think of it-- niggers speaking French!" --secretary of State William Jennings Bryan, briefed on the Haitian situation
    1916
    Marines occupy the Dominican Republic, staying till 1924.
    ! 1916
    Pancho Villa, in the sole act of Latin American aggression against the U.S, raids the city of Columbus, New Mexico, killing 17 Americans.
    "Am sure Villa's attacks are made in Germany." --James Gerard, U.S. ambassador to Berlin
    1917
    U.S. troops enter Mexico to pursue Pancho Villa. They can't catch him.
    1917
    Marines intervene again in Cuba, to guarantee sugar exports during WWI.
    1918
    U.S. Marines occupy Panamanian province of Chiriqui for two years to maintain public order.
    1921
    President Coolidge strongly suggests the overthrow of Guatemalan President Carlos Herrera, in the interests of United Fruit. The Guatemalans comply.
    1925
    U.S. Army troops occupy Panama City to break a rent strike and keep order.
    1926
    Marines, out of Nicaragua for less than a year, occupy the country again, to settle a volatile political situation. Secretary of State Kellogg describes a "Nicaraguan-Mexican-Soviet" conspiracy to inspire a "Mexican-Bolshevist hegemony" within striking distance of the Canal.
    "That intervention is not now, never was, and never will be a set policy of the United States is one of the most important facts President-elect Hoover has made clear." --NYT, 1928
    1929
    U.S. establishes a military academy in Nicaragua to train a National Guard as the country's army. Similar forces are trained in Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
    "There is no room for any outside influence other than ours in this region. We could not tolerate such a thing without incurring grave risks... Until now Central America has always understood that governments which we recognize and support stay in power, while those which we do not recognize and support fall. Nicaragua has become a test case. It is difficult to see how we can afford to be defeated." --Undersecretary of State Robert Olds
    1930
    Rafael Leonidas Trujillo emerges from the U.S.-trained National Guard to become dictator of the Dominican Republic.
    1932
    The U.S. rushes warships to El Salvador in response to a communist-led uprising. President Martínez, however, prefers to put down the rebellion with his own forces, killing over 8000 people (the rebels had killed about 100).
     
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    1933
    Marines finally leave Nicaragua, unable to suppress the guerrilla warfare of General Augusto César Sandino. Anastasio Somoza García becomes the first Nicaraguan commander of the National Guard.
    "The Nicaraguans are better fighters than the Haitians, being of Indian blood, and as warriors similar to the aborigines who resisted the advance of civilization in this country." --NYT correspondent Harold Denny
    1933
    Roosevelt sends warships to Cuba to intimidate Gerardo Machado y Morales, who is massacring the people to put down nationwide strikes and riots. Machado resigns. The first provisional government lasts only 17 days; the second Roosevelt finds too left-wing and refuses to recognize. A pro-Machado counter-coup is put down by Fulgencio Batista, who with Roosevelt's blessing becomes Cuba's new strongman.
    ! 1934
    Platt Amendment repealed.
    1934
    Sandino assassinated by agents of Somoza, with U.S. approval. Somoza assumes the presidency of Nicaragua two years later. To block his ascent, Secretary of State Cordell Hull explains, would be to intervene in the internal affairs of Nicaragua.
    ! 1936
    U.S. relinquishes rights to unilateral intervention in Panama.
    1941
    Ricardo Adolfo de la Guardia deposes Panamanian president Arias in a military coup-- first clearing it with the U.S. Ambassador.
    It was "a great relief to us, because Arias had been very troublesome and very pro-Nazi." --Secretary of War Henry Stimson
    1943
    The editor of the Honduran opposition paper El Cronista is summoned to the U.S. embassy and told that criticism of the dictator Tiburcio Carías Andino is damaging to the war effort. Shortly afterward, the paper is shut down by the government.
    1944
    The dictator Maximiliano Hernández Martínez of El Salvador is ousted by a revolution; the interim government is overthrown five months later by the dictator's former chief of police. The U.S.'s immediate recognition of the new dictator does much to tarnish Roosevelt's Good Neighbor policy in the eyes of Latin Americans.
    1946
    U.S. Army School of the Americas opens in Panama as a hemisphere-wide military academy. Its linchpin is the doctrine of National Security, by which the chief threat to a nation is internal subversion; this will be the guiding principle behind dictatorships in Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Central America, and elsewhere.
    1948
    José Figueres Ferrer wins a short civil war to become President of Costa Rica. Figueres is supported by the U.S., which has informed San José that its forces in the Panama Canal are ready to come to the capital to end "communist control" of Costa Rica.
    1954
    Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, elected president of Guatemala, introduces land reform and seizes some idle lands of United Fruit-- proposing to pay for them the value United Fruit claimed on its tax returns. The CIA organizes a small force to overthrow him and begins training it in Honduras. When Arbenz naively asks for U.S. military help to meet this threat, he is refused; when he buys arms from Czechoslovakia it only proves he's a Red.
    Guatemala is "openly and diligently toiling to create a Communist state in Central America... only two hours' bombing time from the Panama Canal." --Life
    The CIA broadcasts reports detailing the imaginary advance of the "rebel army," and provides planes to strafe the capital. The army refuses to defend Arbenz, who resigns. The U.S.'s hand-picked dictator, Carlos Castillo Armas, outlaws political parties, reduces the franchise, and establishes the death penalty for strikers, as well as undoing Arbenz's land reform. Over 100,000 citizens are killed in the next 30 years of military rule.
    "This is the first instance in history where a Communist government has been replaced by a free one." --Richard Nixon
     
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    ! 1959
    Fidel Castro takes power in Cuba. Several months earlier he had undertaken a triumphal tour through the U.S., which included a CIA briefing on the Red menace.
    "Castro's continued tawdry little melodrama of invasion." --Time, of Castro's warnings of an imminent U.S. invasion
    1960
    Eisenhower authorizes covert actions to get rid of Castro. Among other things, the CIA tries assassinating him with exploding cigars and poisoned milkshakes. Other covert actions against Cuba include burning sugar fields, blowing up boats in Cuban harbors, and sabotaging industrial equipment.
    1960
    The Canal Zone becomes the focus of U.S. counterinsurgency training.
    1960
    A new junta in El Salvador promises free elections; Eisenhower, fearing leftist tendencies, withholds recognition. A more attractive right-wing counter-coup comes along in three months.
    "Governments of the civil-military type of El Salvador are the most effective in containing communist penetration in Latin America." --John F. Kennedy, after the coup
    1960
    Guatemalan officers attempt to overthrow the regime of Presidente Fuentes; Eisenhower stations warships and 2000 Marines offshore while Fuentes puts down the revolt. [Another source says that the U.S. provided air support for Fuentes.]
    1960s
    U.S. Green Berets train Guatemalan army in counterinsurgency techniques. Guatemalan efforts against its insurgents include aerial bombing, scorched-earth assaults on towns suspected of aiding the rebels, and death squads, which killed 20,000 people between 1966 and 1976. U.S. Army Col. John Webber claims that it was at his instigation that "the technique of counter-terror had been implemented by the army."
    "If it is necessary to turn the country into a cemetary in order to pacify it, I will not hesitate to do so." --President Carlos Arana Osorio
    1961
    U.S. organizes force of 1400 anti-Castro Cubans, ships it to the Bahía de los Cochinos. Castro's army routs it.
    1961
    CIA-backed coup overthrows elected Pres. J. M. Velasco Ibarra of Ecuador, who has been too friendly with Cuba.
    1962
    CIA engages in campaign in Brazil to keep João Goulart from achieving control of Congress.
    1963
    CIA-backed coup overthrows elected social democrat Juan Bosch in the Dominican Republic.
    1963
    A far-right-wing coup in Guatemala, apparently U.S.-supported, forestalls elections in which "extreme leftist" Juan José Arévalo was favored to win.
    "It is difficult to develop stable and democratic government [in Guatemala], because so many of the nation's Indians are illiterate and superstitious." --School textbook, 1964
    1964
    João Goulart of Brazil proposes agrarian reform, nationalization of oil. Ousted by U.S.-supported military coup.
    ! 1964
    The free market in Nicaragua:
    The Somoza family controls "about one-tenth of the cultivable land in Nicaragua, and just about everything else worth owning, the country's only airline, one television station, a newspaper, a cement plant, textile mill, several sugar refineries, half-a-dozen breweries and distilleries, and a Mercedes-Benz agency." --Life World Library
    1965
    A coup in the Dominican Republic attempts to restore Bosch's government. The U.S. invades and occupies the country to stop this "Communist rebellion," with the help of the dictators of Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras, and Nicaragua.
    "Representative democracy cannot work in a country such as the Dominican Republic," Bosch declares later. Now why would he say that?
     
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    1966
    U.S. sends arms, advisors, and Green Berets to Guatemala to implement a counterinsurgency campaign.
    "To eliminate a few hundred guerrillas, the government killed perhaps 10,000 Guatemalan peasants." --State Dept. report on the program
    1967
    A team of Green Berets is sent to Bolivia to help find and assassinate Che Guevara.
    1968
    Gen. José Alberto Medrano, who is on the payroll of the CIA, organizes the ORDEN paramilitary force, considered the precursor of El Salvador's death squads.
    ! 1970
    In this year (just as an example), U.S. investments in Latin America earn $1.3 billion; while new investments total $302 million.
    1970
    Salvador Allende Gossens elected in Chile. Suspends foreign loans, nationalizes foreign companies. For the phone system, pays ITT the company's minimized valuation for tax purposes. The CIA provides covert financial support for Allende's opponents, both during and after his election.
    1972
    U.S. stands by as military suspends an election in El Salvador in which centrist José Napoleón Duarte was favored to win. (Compare with the emphasis placed on the 1982 elections.)
    1973
    U.S.-supported military coup kills Allende and brings Augusto Pinochet Ugarte to power. Pinochet imprisons well over a hundred thousand Chileans (torture and rape are the usual methods of interrogation), terminates civil liberties, abolishes unions, extends the work week to 48 hours, and reverses Allende's land reforms.
    1973
    Military takes power in Uruguay, supported by U.S. The subsequent repression reportedly features the world's highest percentage of the population imprisoned for political reasons.
    1974
    Office of Public Safety is abolished when it is revealed that police are being taught torture techniques.
    ! 1976
    Election of Jimmy Carter leads to a new emphasis on human rights in Central America. Carter cuts off aid to the Guatemalan military (or tries to; some slips through) and reduces aid to El Salvador.
    ! 1979
    Ratification of the Panama Canal treaty which is to return the Canal to Panama by 1999.
    "Once again, Uncle Sam put his tail between his legs and crept away rather than face trouble." --Ronald Reagan
    1980
    A right-wing junta takes over in El Salvador. U.S. begins massively supporting El Salvador, assisting the military in its fight against FMLN guerrillas. Death squads proliferate; Archbishop Romero is assassinated by right-wing terrorists; 35,000 civilians are killed in 1978-81. The rape and murder of four U.S. churchwomen results in the suspension of U.S. military aid for one month.
    The U.S. demands that the junta undertake land reform. Within 3 years, however, the reform program is halted by the oligarchy.

    "The Soviet Union underlies all the unrest that is going on." --Ronald Reagan
    1980
    U.S., seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua, tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections. The U.S. starts pouring in $100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory.
    Death squads are also active in Honduras, and the contras tend to act as a state within a state.

    1981
    The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua, who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them. 46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen. The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua.
    1981
    Gen. Torrijos of Panama is killed in a plane crash. There is a suspicion of CIA involvement, due to Torrijos' nationalism and friendly relations with Cuba.
    1982
    A coup brings Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt to power in Guatemala, and gives the Reagan administration the opportunity to increase military aid. Ríos Montt's evangelical beliefs do not prevent him from accelerating the counterinsurgency campaign.
    1983
    Another coup in Guatemala replaces Ríos Montt. The new President, Oscar Mejía Víctores, was trained by the U.S. and seems to have cleared his coup beforehand with U.S. authorities.
    1983
    U.S. troops take over tiny Granada. Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader. One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use. Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.
    1983
    Boland Amendment prohibits CIA and Defense Dept. from spending money to overthrow the government of Nicaragua-- a law the Reagan administration cheerfully violates.
    1984
    CIA mines three Nicaraguan harbors. Nicaragua takes this action to the World Court, which brings an $18 billion judgment against the U.S. The U.S. refuses to recognize the Court's jurisdiction in the case.
    1984
    U.S. spends $10 million to orchestrate elections in El Salvador-- something of a farce, since left-wing parties are under heavy repression, and the military has already declared that it will not answer to the elected president.
    1989
    U.S. invades Panama to dislodge CIA boy gone wrong Manuel Noriega, an event which marks the evolution of the U.S.'s favorite excuse from Communism to drugs.
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    But remember only 11 years before your start date the US was still massacring Native Americans (Wounded Knee 1890)
     

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