Bush to halt solar plant production

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/us/27solar.htm

Check that out.

So much for doing positive things for the environment. Now, the environment is being used to block helping the environment... lol

 

You need to be a member.

http://gizmodo.com/5020404/federal-government-halts-solar-power-projects-for-two-years

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/...ml?query=BUSH, GEORGE W&field=per&match=exact

 

A member of what?

The site? I'm pretty sure I'm not a member and it takes me right there?

 

Yeah, a member of the site.
I have no idea why It won't let me see the article, but, it won't.
Atleast we have given people options to the same story

 

I am unclear on the reasons for the halting. Anyone have more information. While we watch all our energy costs inflate I find this disturbing.

 

According to MY first link:

"In order to survey the impact of massive solar power plants on the environment and wildlife, the federal government is freezing new solar projects on public land for about two years."

 

The BLM has got to be the most useless government agency I've had the displeasure of dealing with. They are tasked with taking care of our public lands and they go about it in a way completly devoid of logic. I have been ticketed for sleeping on tundra on the side of the road. I once was over seeing a job where we buried utility lines for phone and power to a new BLM visitors center and had the job halted because we were spilling some DIRT onto the tundra a few inches outside of our 8 foot ROW.

SO that seem just about right, stop the solar energy projects while they waste away out tax dollars trying to figure out if it is bad for the environment. The BLM sucks.

 

Published: July 14, 2001

when gas was ... oh about.. 50 cents a liter. and now it's 3.50/l
I wonder if he's changed his mind or maybe he hasn't made enough money yet.

 

Hey he's protecting his oil buddies, no big surprise. He's all for building new refineries and drilling in ANWR, but we have to study the environmental impact of developing solar energy for two years, by which time he'll be out of office. Solar has been around for quite a while. I would think computer models could be instituted like they have been in projecting global warming. Guess where the biggest impact will be felt... by the energy and utility companies.

I really don't think it has much to do with the desert ground squirrels, in fact probably both he and Cheney use them for target practice on his ranch in Crawford.

Funny isn't it how the push for the new light bulbs was a marketing /manufacturing favorite in a minutes, even though it's disposal and breakage does bring up health problems. A bulb which by the way had been introduced years before and a sales dud, now we've legislated that it's the new standard.

 

Why hasn't Big Al come out against this it's been a week, I haven't seen any media coverage by him, doesn't this set his global warming agenda back? Is he too busy selling carbon offsets? Bet if he was invested in or selling solar we would have heard from him.

 

Ever questioned why we were sold the new/old bulbs so fast and slick? I did.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/13/magazines/fortune/gunther_pluggedin_lightbulb.fortune/index.htm

But sometimes I find that heat useful, don't know about you. And only using the lamps I need when I need them probably only costs me cents per month. My last month's energy bill was 28.00. I dislike the new bulbs they take forever to reach peak light, and now I have to take extra measures to dispose of them, when I could just throw my broken incandescents in the trash. When I see my bills go up is when I turn on the furnace in the winter, or run a cooler in the summer. When are they going to legislate energy savers for these purposes.

I wonder how much the GE lobbyists gave our members of congress to sell the American public that they were saving the environment, while paying two bucks for a bulb that used to cost 40 cents and lasted years if not left burning all day.

http://screwthatbulb.org/articles/page.jsp?itemID=28389431

When is the western world and especially the US going to wake up and admit they've been grifted.

 

The thing is, not all people use bulbs in the same way you do.
If you don't find the new bulbs particularly helpful or warranted, don't use them.
Plus, you can find new bulbs that act in the same way as the older ones (and just as cheap).
The fact that you have not found any is no indication they are not out there.
The truth is IMO, new bulbs are a benefit, and the more people and business use them, the better.

 

Perhaps you'd like to send me some complimentary ones to try out? By the way do you own GE stock?

I use lightbulbs to read by, to light a room so I can get around and not run into things, how do you use them? In the winter when I keep my thermostat at 52 I also use them to warm my hands from time to time, it's cheaper than turning on the furnace.

A benefit to whom the companies that couldn't sell them during their first release in a capitalistic market and now seek legislative support to sell something that wasn't found to be viable the first time around? If this was such a great product it should have caught on, on it's own. People should have noticed it's increased lighting capability, they should have noticed it lasted longer and decreased their bills But since at least the eighties they've been on the market and they've sat on the shelves.

But now they have a captive market. What a pay off!

 

PM me your address and I'll happily send you half a dozen.
No, I don't own GE stock.
That is such a silly thing to say...sorry, but it is.

 

When I say others use them in a different way, I mean the amount they use them and the amount of time they use them. Companies definitely use them in a different way than you, and they should use more efficient bulbs.
GE is not the only company that makes more efficient bulbs.

Ever think of buying yourself some gloves?
A flippant comment perhaps, but worth some thought.

 

I wear gloves, sweaters multiple layers of clothing in the winter, I don't reap the profits from a product that has international sponsorship. I work and have to pay my bills.

 

People have the attitude you do.

 

If I take you up on your offer of the free bulbs will you also pay to dispose of them when they burn out?

 

I hope more and more people learn to question and develop their own individual attitudes, I don't seek to legislate something that should be left to the market. A market made up of consumers and suppliers, not legislative mandates or scare tactics.

 

It's called progress.
But, you probably have one of those old bulky monitors, a telephone that has a dial rather than buttons, and a penny farthing to get you to to the shops, right?
Have you not replaced anything in the last 30 odd years?
If it ain't broke, why fix it, eh?
Stay just the way you are, and let the rest of the world progress with out you.
An admirable endeavour, for sure.