listen to my simple theory of gravity

Exar

i didnt read past this point
if im a fool what can i contribute?

occam

 

If Im a fool, Im gonna contribute my foolishness! -Gravity is space trying to expell objects from itself. Na na, Na na, Boo boo.

 

Interesting.
does the elastic split? or is it a singular sheet? is it being streched or pulled...what gives impetus to a strech or pull?

right now I think it is an interesting analogy, a bit different than any way i've thought about it before (i haven't formally studied much physics). Do we need to ignore some things, things like the electronic structure of the elastic--as far as how it is made and composed molecularly.

 

Framesh..
a 3 dimensional sheet ..thats what cuts the weeds.. We who remain must conceptualise this, a 3d sheet.
Aint easy
Thats why video representations such as the classic simpsons episode always do it in 2d.
And homer falls down the infinite curve of the singularity
in a rubber 2d sheet representation of spacetime.
Its a thousand times easier for 3d people like us to imagine in 2d.
3d warping is borderline psychotic in many societies.
science becomes science fiction . how ironic.

'Pinch' a part of a 3d grid.. it works in the head. but not in words.


occam

 

If you were to increase the number of objects connected by the object then you would need a sheet of elastic connecting the bodies although connecting 7 objects with elastic would require only 21 pieces of elastic. I maintain I think the real fundamental issue here is how we conceive potential energy when we move from something intuitive to something highly abstract like a gravitational or quantum field.

Moving on.... I am certainly a fool, so you got the measure of me so I read on. Though im not sure I agree with your central thesis that everything is a sphere. It is true that a force that acts uniformly in all directions will favour a sphere. However atomic nuclei for example are not spherical they are highly delocalised entities. The strong force does not become weaker with distance causing some fairly bizarre behaviour. Ive never really thought about shape on this scale simply because im not sure shape has much meaning at such scales quantum effects are massively dominant.

 

Could space be trying to push objects to where space dose not exist? Thats kinda what I think it is.

 

If there was an object in a drop of water, wouldnt the object tend to excelerate when it got closer to the edges of the drop?

 

If there was a bubble inside the drop, wouldnt things excelereat when they got close to this bubble too?

 

Tony

Exactly
Would not the fundamental blocks of stuff of reality be spheres if reality was about circles?
Atoms are anything but spheres except for a central locus.
There are no 'spherical electron shells' as many conceptualise.
People are still thinking concieving in 1950's SF terms..

orbits are always eliptic
material bodies never perfect spheres
And both are products of point mass reality, not circular reality.

circles are a product of law. conservation.
energy is best kept, in a circle. cause energy cant stop.
it finds a path of least loss. a circle. this does not mean reality is circles.. it means the law that rules reality says less loss in circular form.

Occam

 

Im not speaking to everyone here, but you guys talk mostly of pseudoscience. seriously, I cant believe some of the things I read here.

Its like you guys are trying to understand the universe but never got passed middle school science.

Go to SciForums.com, there you can talk about all of this with real intelligent people, some who have Ph. D's, and who arent just assuming what they think could be.

I just read the last post about spheres and electron shells, and how they are 'elliptic', LMAO. thats all I gotta say. Ever heard of wave-functions? thats the modern most accurate way of describing subatomic particles. its called wave-particle duality, many of you have probably never heard of this lol. Objects, including solids like you and me are both particles and waves at the same time.

You're little sphere is a wave too my friend. It has no geometric configuration that you could label a sphere. Just a vibrational pattern that may resemble a sphere.

 

Hey Kilo! Howdy! I must be the dummest guy on here cause no ones talkin to me. Could you tell me if I kinda got it rite? Is gravity kinda like space tryin to expel objects from itself? Could you check my other posts up above and see if I kinda got it rite? Is gravity just space tryin to kick everything elce out of it?

 

Anyone?

 

Canni

sorry for delay i was lubing up my rubber girl.[i call her Altairia ..from forbidden planet]
I'll talk to anyone with a lump called a head between shoulders.
[i have one and it aint pretty]

"Is gravity just space tryin to kick everything elce out of it?"

Now your rocking dude. The right questions.

The fact that you admit sideways that space IS [a thing] and not a vacumm for vacuum heads..
takes us to level 2. what is space... hmmmmmm


occam

 

It shure seems to be somekinda "Thing". Thanks Razor! Kinda like a bukkit with bottlecaps floatin in it. The water pushes all the caps together. If theyr were objects suspended in it that had no water content in them, I think theyd drift together too. When theirs an object in space and space is displaced where the object is, it causes space to have an edge all around the object, and I think space pushes other objects there because its the closest edge to push something out of. -Anyhow, I think its something like that.

 

Canni

That actually works for me .. i conceptualised it..and can see how it might be...what i was asking tho , is where the energy comes from to push.
Dont think i'll actually get an answerr untill the next einstein comes along.. but its a cool question.
I like your mass pushes space out of way thing tho.

Clear thinking is always mistaken for lunacy or SF ,not real...
All we have now.. was once lunacy or SF.
Tell the people of 1805 that men would walk on the moon and he would have you put away.
We now have the technology to put a man on gannymede
would not Galileo Galilei be amused.
[recant says the church.." i cant, they wont have anywhere to stand" replies Mr Galilei]

To us GPS is a given, we are used to it... To click shortest route and have hand held 'talk you through traffic' is a given
For the people of 0 BC. GPS would be PURE MAGIC
But. Very few know. GPS is solely a product of the military.
The USAF actually

occam

 

The shells themseles are decribed by probability fundtions, as the electrons are delocalised we can only talk about where they are as a probability distribution. These have a wide variety of shapes depending on which energy level you are talking about. Only lowest energy state has a probability function described by a sphere. Any large scale object also posses some wavefunction which could describe it but for large object decoherence means that they do exist and their position can be measured. I can prove this quite trivially im typing on my keyboard which must exist otherwise i couldnt type on it. Though jibes aside the way which quantum systems collapse to give classical results is very non-trivial and a something of an interest to me.

I did pass high school physics. I even went to university and got given a certificate saying that not only could i read physics textbooks i could also remember enough to answer questions a few week later.

 

Tony
now thats pragmatism...
dont let your friends know you are such.. you will be dirt.
Electron shells/q mech is awesome stuff.
Im 50 with 5 'degrees and i still have great difficulty conceptualising even small parts of it.
When im asked about it i feel like the guy from "the day after"..[movie]
"where will you be next week"??
"probably in the upper atmosphere"

Tony same here
High school physics was a sham.. at one stage I
was in front of class giving lessons on fusion..cause the teacher was way out of her league. not her fault. she was a 'temp'.with education preceeding the great depression.. poor love.. i felt so sorry for her

2 hydrogen= 1 helium i said.. and i didnt even know atom weight or number of hydrogen..lol. Now im much smarter,, one proton??? DOH
The same in ancient history.. i gave a lecture on 'flanks' in war.
'and what they are'.'the battle of marathon' at age 13 to a classroom
with the blond i was in love with right there.Lisa Farrah. man what a bad position.

Occam

 

Tony

glad you think so.. im a large object.

occam

 

Kick everything else out? I dont understand.

The current definition of gravity is the geometric curvature of spacetime caused by mass.

The easiest way to visualize this, like I think Razor was talking about earlier, is a rubber sheet to represent spacetime. Pretend spacetime was a flat rubber sheet, or a trampoline. Now the reason planets and stars attact things toward them (what we see as gravity) is because their mass, like the mass of a heavy iron ball placed on the trampoline, would distort and bend the flat rubber sheet. Now put a tennis ball on the trampoline, and it would "fall toward the iron ball" because it is just following the natural curvature of the sheet it is on.

Now take that tennis ball and roll it (give it some velocity) perpendicular to the iron ball and it would orbit around the iron ball the same way the Earth revolves around the Sun. Eventually the tennis ball would lose its velocity and just plunge in a circular spiral toward the iron ball, but the Earth does not lose its velocity so it remains in orbit around the Sun.



Hope that helped.

 

KilO

well said...
I was actually stunned that the people who made the simpsons had the gall to produce that episode.[relative to typical puke on TV]
it was to me a bolt from the blue. a 3d homer LOL
What where they up to?
teaching physics to children... brilliant.
bet you dad was sitting there with beer in hand saying what is this shit.. as 'jack junior' was being uplifted from to tepidity of his family life.
someone had finally watered his garden of imagination

and i'll tack on the ending.if i may. the tennis ball only eventaully falls in on the rubber sheet due to friction.
in spacetime. the is 'very little' [friction]
There is fractional rubbish the body hits but that is soon cleared an there is tidal force which makes one face worlds like mercury and our moon.
As far as we know the earth for example will stay i this orbit at same period for next 200 billion years.. but of course it will get blown out when sol goes red giant.. then will stablise again.

Occam