9/11 conspiracy- Don't know what to think.

ahh... Science... Don't you love it...

Thanks for the link dawg!

 

I thought you were going to back up your claim that the Pentagon had plane ID anti aircraft systems.

Still working on it?

 

The entire scientific community knew there was global warming in the 90's. A president isn't the leader of the scientific community. Nor does that anything to do with the WTC.

It's a poor analogy.

And for the record, I don't know how well versed you are in the work of Steve Jones. He claims that the world trade centers were brought down with rocket fuel.

 

There is no conspiracy behind the attacks on 9/11. I can easily see why people would like there to be however. But truth of the matter is that the ATTACKS that happened to alot of innocent people that day were the result of religious fanatics. The war and propaganda that spilled forth out of the attacks well, thats probably just putting capitalism to work hoping to find profit in a tragedy. But hey who cares? The majority of americans obviously didnt the past eight years...

 

What these tragic wannabes don't realize is, how insulting they are to people who died that day.

I'd like to ask the pathetic loners, how would you feel if a member of your family was murdered, the murderer convicted, who then commited suicide and then squealing little bitches saying they don't believe the murderer was the true culprit, in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Also they can't contend with the hard facts of 9/11, they can't answer anything, even at the basic level.

Poor, poor you. What a sad, lonely, twisted mindset you must have. Why not go and live in North Korea? Well? It is obviously no different from your warped view of the glorious Western World. (long may we reign as the beacon of freedom and liberalism)

 

There's one major problem there. It assumes a time to back it's conclusions. There are a lot of estimates online, and many of them are around 15 seconds, which is completely reasonable. 11 seconds is also... slower than free fall.

If it was faster than free fall, there is no proof of explosives. It would just mean a strong vacuum was created

Most sources give more varied estimates. The authors picking data which matches his forgone conclusion, which is the largest flaw in the scientific method your side shows.

Here are some varied estimates.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_collapse_time_estimates.html

And here are some pictures showing that the contents of the building are falling slower than the rest of the ejected material. Showing that the building can't be falling faster than freefall.

http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html

Your side just offers the same repeated claims.

 

Ah that old chesnut - the collapse of the WTC.
I'm not going to dignify this garbage with a response.
Although I will make a few statements that complete wipe the floor with it.
If it was a controlled demolition, how come the towers collapsed from the top downwards. Also how could this 'government' manage to create a network of TNT surronding the building with NO ONE noticing, not to mention then fly a plane in for good measure. WIPED THE FLOOR.

Science is the most glorious and radiant thing mankind can ever contemplate. Do not insult the most beautiful thing, by twisting it to meet your own deluded agenda.

I love relishing your patheticness. But seriously - get some cognitive therapy quickly.

 

I don't really see the value of that jingoism either. In my mind, pride should be reserved for something you've acomplished, not something that happened by luck of birth.

 

My ancestors have accomplished so much to allow me to have the freedoms and rights, standard of education and health care that I am able to enjoy in the western world. Yes I am very, very proud of their accomplishments thank you.

LONG MAY THE WEST REIGN SUPREME.

 

As my mother used to say, always bet brown.

Go China. :biggrin:

 

I started to interest with the topic recently. I studied carefully all the facts including all scientific documentation. Before I was 'believer' and I didn't take the 'conspiracy theories'. But I saw that there is strong movement http://www.911truth.org so I started studding 'for' and 'against' data. More I read more it stinks to me. There is significant lack of data for 'for', and all that mystery, secrets, evidence cleaning surrounding the case... There are doubts on each point... Investigation didn't found anything. 9 from the 21 suspects are alive. And that false video with Bin Laden in Al Dżasira. Bin Laden in fact didn't put responsibility for the attacks on himself. He gave announcement about that in 2001 just after accident.

I'm just saying what I feel. I became critical. I wasn't skeptical before but now I am. That's it.
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In my opinion the Truth has been put threw a shredder by "conspiracy theories".
As in the facts that are in the public domain are now so difficult to fit together, the majority of people just don't bother to concern themselves with the truth.

Neither are the majority of us experts in the different fields needed to fit all this together.

Sep 12, I started to read the theories. By Sep 20 the majority I keep reading had been said. That is what pisses me off and I find particulary disrespectful. As a bunch of loons thought they had it all stiched up in a few weeks.

Ofcourse there is less information 'for' than 'against', as the truth is usually simple. Unlike convoluted conpiracy theories.

 

Ok, finally I found good theoretical model of WTC fall:
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf
It's not perfect as it is ony one-dimensional continuum idealization of progressive collapse and is representative of continuum energetically equivalent to the snapthrough of columns
but in fact it put some light on it. It's not bad. Maybe I become 'believer' once more?

But that will not make me patriot in any sense anyway.
Cheers

 

Alright, I thought that once South Park criticized something, it was generally accepted as stupid? The conspiracy is just way too hard to believe for me.

Oh and I have a new conspiracy theory for you advocates: What if the Government just paid people to spread the rumor that 9/11 was an inside job, just to take the attention off the economy starting to go into recession (about 1999 is when the homebuilding market started declining, leading to more market recessions)?

You see how stupid I just sounded saying that? That's what all conspiracy theories sound like to me. People can believe whatever they want, but I've never met a successful person who believes in conspiracy theories. Is that a Coincidence...?

or...

CONSPIRACY!?

DUN DUN DUN!!!

 

Some successful people make a living off conspiracy theories...

I own 2 businesses myself...

Some of you people are so stuck up your own ass it is unbelievable...

Coincidence or Conspiracy... I don't believe in coincidence... So, your head up your ass was just meant to be... Sorry about your luck buddy... :toetap05:

 

No way. I like more better that one: Georgie bought his votes. I even heard that in fact he lost but due to some kind of law he became of president. I heard also that machines had fault, so when somebody put Kerry software interpeted it as 'George'. For me he is a terrorist of Iraqi people and great danger to Iranians.

Few weeks ago it become true that in Szymany 12 km near my town there was secret CIA base. People were tortured and killed there. I had a dreams that time that above my home flying dangerous evil machines. I suspected that it is more than just a dream. Szymany men!!! Still top secret - but very soon there will be noisy about it!!

 

To put it extremely bluntly, Anyone who still thinks that the collapse of the towers was the result of a "controlled" explosion is an idiot. If someone wants to say that the sky is green and not blue there is no way to trully ever make him believe its not. Like religion conspiracys can never COMPLETELY be disproved. As long as there is imagination there will be conspiracy.(And various beliefs in all power god's for that matter)

 

You are reading far too many conspiracies.
It is clear you want to believe the worst and not any realistic truth.
Perhaps in 7 years you will realise what you heard, is a not based on any real reality.

 

Szymany is belived to be a fact. If this place existed it was against international law. There should be investigation in that case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szczytno-Szymany_International_Airport

Illusions? Halucinations? No! Real evil in my backyard garden!

 

Really? Name one.

By the way anyone seen Zorba? He seems to disappear whenever you ask him to back up what he says.