so whaddy guys think of this new law for immigrants...

of the illegal variety:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/18/europe/migrant.php

 

Not comfortable reading to be fair but a feeling perhaps it is a measured response to the migrations of people. I can only see it becoming more problematic to peoples who live near to the european borders.

 

At least there's one man standing up to these human rights violations!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080619/tpl-uk-venezuela-europe-81f3b62.html

 

Shit, is this for real? I read the first few lines and assumed it was some kind of joke! Im not very quick, am i? So its really happening? INSANE!

 

What a bunch of bull. That makes me mad.

 

that's really scary

 

What is scarey about it?

 

Well maybe it's not scary if you have no empathy for your fellow human beings. Personally I find it pretty scary....

 

You dont think its scary that people who try and get away from war, rape and god knows what else end up locked away for 18 months? seeing as they havent really done anything wrong. people who murder and rape can walk free, yet someone trying to find peace and have a relatively good life are being punished further.

 

it makes me sick

 

Would they not be 'asylum seekers'? If they are 'asylum seekers', then yes, the prospect of possibly being detained for up to 18 months is a scary prospect. I don't think it says 'asylum seekers' neither do I think it says all will detained for 18 months. I do appreciate that it is easy to say you are as 'asylum seeker', over an economic migrant, if the prospect is you are going to be sent 'home'. And true 'asylum seekers', may find it hard to prove they are true 'asylum seekers, because they won't all be documented, and because of a potentially unmanageable process that is the illegitimate and legitimate movement of people. Atleast there is a maximum amount of time, rather than the real and far more scarey prospect of not knowing when you are going to be released.

I do have empathy for my fellow human being.
It just seemed everybody was disgusted with this.
Maybe to you guys it was pretty straightforward.
I was just asking a question, it was not due to a lack of empathy for my fellow human being.

 

well even if not, they still havent done anything wrong so to speak. priorities are really messed up. i understand that there is a need to keep countries and their people safe, but sometimes they can take things to far. i dont know what i would do if i was in the position of an 'illegal immigrant', but i dont think i would do anything to deserve this.

 

I'm not saying there should be no border controls at all, but I do think the prospect of locking someone up for 18 months for no crime greater than simply seeking a better life for themself and their family is draconian and yes, a little bit disgusting....

 

It is not helped by the countries that they say they came from, either not substantiating that or refusing them re-entry. There are a plethora of different scenarios, all worthy of thought and consideration. I just don't think it is fair to assume those charged with the task of processing those people, should be slightly demonised. It sounds more like a necessity rather than an attempt at punishing or thoughtlessly trampling over people rights.

I could be giving 'them' too much credit.

It is difficult, as I think you guys are assuming the worst, being subjected to the truly deserving. I don't know how many undocumented people get trapped in the same category of 'illegal immigrant' , neiher do I know if there are any agencies set up to find documenation for those that have found themselves with none.

I do agree that this may just push the problem further afield.

 

I dont think the answer is in locking people up for 18months. i guess there is no easy answer, but it sometimes looks like people arent looking at the bigger picture. i do agree with peace phoenix in that it is disgusting, but by saying that i am not suggesting that nothing ought to be done. maybe this is too far out there, but how about trying to help those countries that people are trying to escape from, rather than making the situation a whole lot more painful?

 

no one or no government should have the power to lock anyone up for 18 months unless they have committed a serious offense. serious offense being that they have harmed someone else or given pretense that they might harm someone else (say rape, murder, attempted murder, etc).

to simply be living in a country illegally (and yes you might be an asylum seeker that has failed, and would rather live below the radar than have to return to a war torn country and be counted as 'illegal') is no reason to lock someone up for 18 months without any recourse and without any other offense being committed.

it's draconian, it is disgusting, and by all means if you think it's such a good idea maybe you should see how great it is to be locked up for 18 months in prison without your friends, family, and no one able to rescue you.

to me it just sounds like Guantanamo Bay for the EU

 

That is the point. Not all people are attempting to 'escape' from certain countries. They have just decided to leave. There could be nothing wrong with the country they are leaving. We can't ignore the reality people 'lose' their identity, people purposely play the system, and people in some cases should be sent home. How ever much of a struggle their life may well be.

I do think we help other countries.
Possibly not enough.

 

to go through such extremes when the country they are leaving is perfectly fine is a little odd wouldn't you say? yes people leave for all sorts of reasons but there does seem to be quite good reasons for many. people are people to me and it doesnt matter where they were born, so i couldnt agree with this. but people have their own opinions, from what i have seen people on this forum think in the same way as me.

 

If I lived in a country where people let people who are detained in these centres, live next door to them. If there were no conflicts between the varying groups of people in the detention centres. If there were an easier solution. I'd be a lot less perplexed over this one.

I think i'm going to research what actual rights these people do have.
On the face of it, I think you are going a little over the top.
Maybe you are not.

 

I'm not tarring everybody with the same brush.
I do appreciate that there are legitimate reasons people leave.
People are people to me also. I do think lots of people would agree with you.
But, I have read comments that pretty much say "send them home" "not our problem".
The only people some people care about are those on their own horizon.