pain and its nature and relevance in life

pain is not a bad thing, pain is something you learn to control


do not fight the pain, accept it into you and view it as a sensation, another facet of life you could never be the same without.

course it round your body and glory in it, because pain is at the end, just another nerve response, the same as pleasure, so there isnt really htat much difference once you stop fighting it

furthermore

since human reality is our 5 senses


then everything that we know, is sensation, now if every sensation is pleasure if taken correctly, every second of every day is pleasure

learn to love every feeling, from headaches to orgasms, and the world is yours

this is so amazing and beautiful, i feel so safe and secure, because i know that whatever happenes, it will be made of pure sensation, therefore nothing that happens could ever be bad

 

"we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"

 

Embrace this moment.

 

Yes, pleasure has no greater value than pain, they both come and they both go.

 

well basically, this knowledge makes you invincible, because no matter waht happens, it is no different, just making you more than you were before

masoschismic nilhism ftw XD

 

I disagree.

then again, I really dont know.

 

youve obviously never had a abscessed tooth..
trust me some pain cant be "controlled" no matter how hard you try therefore it becomes a very bad thing...

arrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh

 

your trying to fight and suppress it

accept it


and send it through your body, enjoy it

 

Pleasure in it's rawest, most abstract form
Pain in it's rawest, most abstract form

Without creating attachments to these ( and therefore identifying with them) they are experienced without judgement, and so come and go as they do. One doesn't have any greater meaning or purpose than the other, they just simply are.

 

you have no idea what your talking about..

seriously,,pain management only goes so far..

im glad at 16 you think your in tune enough to be able to deal with any physical pain,,but my guess is youve never had to deal with extreme physical pain..


i would really like to see you "accept" the pain from a abscessed tooth..

that would be fun to watch..

trust me,,im 43,,i have a high tolerance for pain but after 3 days,,im going to get antibiotics and pain meds as soon as the dentist is open..


so you think you could just "accept" the pain of appendicitis,how about kidney stones?? yeah lemme see you piss a rock the size of a penny out your dick and "accept it"...

so please,,do tell what is the worst pain youve dealt with with absolutely NO kind of pain reliever???

 

you've seen those pictures of monks lighting themselves on fire to protest war right?

 

ok I understand what you were saying now.

thank you.

 

yes and they died..

your point??

next youll say what did people do before anesthetics.. the fact is many died from the pain..
those that didnt im sure if given a choice would have taken anything they could have to cope with it..

i would love to see evidence of a guru dealing with extreme pain ,,im not talking about self inflicted either,without ANY kind of herbs or drugs to mask the pain..
self inflicted pain,pain by choice is totally different than that that is not by choice..

and quite frankly im not talking about a life long trained guru,,im talking about this 16 year old kid whos telling me to "accept" the pain of a abscessed tooth..

hell ive had fillings put in with NO ANESTHETICS!!!

big difference in pain level compared to a abscess....

have you ever had one??

 

my point was simply to your statement that "pain can't be controlled no matter how hard you try"

I was just disagreeing with it, and bringing up those relatively well-known monks as an example, because I think that they handled it quite well.

as for a 16 year old kid...I have no clue what he knows or doesn't know. I wouldn't discredit him entirely based on his age though. He may not know what he says, but there may still be truth in his words.

 

what does the monks setting themselves on fire prove? how do you know they controlled the pain? from what ive seen,it looks to me like they were in intense pain flailing around till they were overcome and passed out..

and i NEVER said pain couldnt be controlled.. what i said is there is a limit to the bodies ability to manage pain..

its documented,,PEOPLE DIE FROM OVERWHELMING PAIN!!!!!

now i must ask you,,what is the worst pain youve ever dealt with,without so much as a aspirin or a topical anesthetic??

as i stated,ive had fillings put in without anesthetics(all 9 of them),,have you?

now im off to get some antibiotics and pain meds... lol

 

Actually HHB, the inital monk who burned himself to death in that famous photograph as an act of protest, is said to have barely moved a muscle, and when he died, he simply fell forward and they put the flames out and wrapped him up, carried him away. Phsyical pain can most definitley be controlled, to an extent, but that is not the point.
The point is to view pain and pleasure as the same thing, accept them as they are, and understand that you are experiencing both for a reason, a karmic purpose, if you will.
I do not have the strongest pain tolerance, my worst experience with pain was when my lungs collapsed, and I was next to tears waiting for my X-Ray, which they saw nothing wrong and sent me home in agony. The next day they called me back, they took another look at the x-ray and found it collapsed, shot me up with dilaudid, and sent me home with a script to Vidocin.
But what we need to do, is when pain comes, invite it into our bodily temple as a welcome guest in love, and learn the root of it, and deal with it accordingly.
Pain is part of learning and growing, and should be understood to be a part of this physical life and nothing more.
It doesnt make you any less *manly* if pain doubles you over, and if it does make you less of a man, then I guess the point is being missed and the egocentric nature of that opinion has you in it's grasp.
God Bless ~

 

burned all the skin off my right hand at age 3

 

and you received no pain medication?? yeah right...

and relayer,, is there proof that the monk was not under ANY influence of opiates??
i do know that opiate use among monks is far from rare,it seems somewhat common in fact...

also,IMO there is a huge difference from what you are saying,which i agree with and what zippolite was saying..
to accept your pain and deal with it aaccordingly is far different from him implying that one can overcome any pain just through a mental attitude...

which is exactly what he was implying...

 

I believe it can be. I in no way am capable of that, but I know it could be done.

 

im skeptical on that personally.. i think everyone has a breaking point.. some breaking points may be higher than others,but i think everyone,no matter how well trained has a breaking point .
that is to say if given a choice at some point they would choose a artificial means of pain relief..