Anti-Global Warming Propaganda Goes Here

So, the next telethon to gather 100 millions for a good cause, save your 5 bucks phone call, as 5 bucks are nothing in comparison with the 100 millions needed... And the last fact is conclusive!

 

Interesting that global warming deniers always assert that several top scientists denounce global warming. Looks like that's been put to rest:

http://watthead.blogspot.com/2008/04/remember-that-number-global-warming.html
http://www.desmogblog.com/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute

 

i guess the oregon institutre of science and medicine and the 31,000 scientist who signed their petition must be global warming deniers huh?

http://www.discovery.org/v/30
http://www.oism.org/pproject/

 

lol, "We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment..."

 

what exactly is so funny about wanting talks that are NOT one sided? besides, if the usa had accepted and signed the kyoto treaty, americans would be left paying the majority of the bill. i've heard estimates that go upwards of one hundred billion dollars a year that americans would be forced to pay annualy if the usa had signed the kyoto protocol. why quote only one part of the links i provided? why not look at them in their entirity before judging them? this may come as a shock to you. but carbon is NOT a pollutant and neither is CO2. one degree in rise of temperatures per year is NOT reason to worry. there are also a lot more polar bears than there were four decades ago. you should also keep in mind opf the strange amount of cold spells we've been getting globally as of lately. global warming will eventually be old news and global cooling will eventually be the hot topic to speak of.

 

not true, that's only true if you believe everything the UN or al gore tells you. even the oregon institute of science and medicine says there is no actual hard evidence that global warming's cause originates from humans. freeman dyson, who by the way is a very well known scientist has concluded the same thing. scientific inquiry is not supposed to be one sided. sadly, the global warming crowd makes it seem that way uin he eyes of your average layman.

 

Nope--many of them don't exist at all. The list includes numerous forged names. There are also businesses on the list. I'm not sure how a business can be regared as an individual. Of course, there are also movie stars like Michael J Fox on the list who never signed, of course. If you look at the names of real people you realize there are plenty of economists, electrical engineers, middle-school P.E. teachers, etc. All people with opinions, but no training or expertise in climatology whatsoever. Thus, their opinions are irrelevant. It would be rather akin to me taking a position on techniques for excising brain tumors. I have an B.S. in zoology, and I'm finishin my M.S. in marine biology, but I have no training in medicine, say nothing for extremely advanced extremely complex surgery. My opinion would mean squat.

Scientific american did a small study to estimate the number of people that had signed that actually had any expertise in climatology whatsoever that still agreed with the statement. As it turns out, there are perhaps 200 people on the list that have any expertise in climatology that actually agree with the statement. Two hundred people with expertise in climatology is perhaps 1% of that branch of the scientific communty, at best.

Surely enough, this demonstates just how few people that are expert on the subject think this sort of denial has any merit whatsoever.

 

not true, that's only true if you believe everything the UN or al gore tells you.

Nnnnoooo, I accept what the evidence says. I don't take anyone on their word about this or most factual issues--I go to the evidence and review it myself. I couldn't care much less what the UN or Al Gore has to say about anything--I care what the evidence demonstrates.

even the oregon institute of science and medicine says there is no actual hard evidence that global warming's cause originates from humans.

Sooo??? There are lots of propaganda mills--this is one of them. The only notable thing they've ever done is circulate the Oregon petition, which you cite above. If I started a non-profit called The American Institute for Climate Research and Policy and circulated a petition suggesting that space aliens are beaming microwaves to Earth to cause global warming I would have just as much evidence and scientific backing as they do.

freeman dyson, who by the way is a very well known scientist has concluded the same thing.

So??? Occasionally notable people take batshit crazy positions. Consider Tom Cruise

scientific inquiry is not supposed to be one sided.

One-sided...are you joking???

sadly, the global warming crowd makes it seem that way uin he eyes of your average layman.

Almost 1/2 of the American public thinks there is widescale disagreement among the scientific community about the cause and concequences of global warming when in reality there is widespread agreement. The average layman has been told the lie (and almost 1/2 have been convinced) that climatologists aren't sure why the Earth is warming, aren't sure it will continue to warm without significant changes, or that the effects of that warming may not be particularly negative. A tiny minority comprising probably less than 1% of expert opinions has been thrust on us as if it is equally plausible as compared to the consensus view.

It would be as if people believed there was a serious debate about whether the sun is made of hydrogen and helium, or of orange marmelade.

Chris

 

You can follow 9 years of Global Warming Petition Project signers using Internet archive, for instance http://web.archive.org/web/19990421011635/www.oism.org/pproject/s33p37.htm

The petitionproject.org website looks like a site designed in 1995, but apparently is pretty new. How come an organization with such an important cause become so poor that can gather the signatures of thousands of "scientists" but can't get a nickel from each of them to pay a less depressive design.

Yesterday I found that Peter Popoff, the televangelist well known as faith healer through laying of the hands, who gathered up to 5 millions a month until his fraudulent methods were debunked by James Randi and Steve Shaw in 1987 (he went bankrupt a few months later), well, this guy is now getting several millions bucks a year using the slogan "Go into business with God", claiming that God will make "divine transfers" into a viewer's "divine account". If this person manages to amass a lot of money, why then did serious people have such a problem raising funds to finance a campaign that is so important that more than 31,000 scientist have so far signed its petition?

There's a lot that could be said about this only petition project, but it's enough to know that telling lies is not illegal (almost never, almost anywhere) and that's why a lot of things can exist, even this petition and the organization that back it.

Another aspect is people in USA distrusting about Kyoto Protocol or any other global warming relief advocacy (at least 50% of people, as Chris said). This phenomenon happens in USA and a few English speaking countries. Curiously, in such countries there are lots of people that say "global warming doesn't exist, and if it does exist, nothing can be done about it". This people sometimes are such zanies that believe both things a the same time. Most of them, however, are careful enough to believe such things in different periods of their life: they "evolve" from one thinking to another, but what they really say is "there's no such thing as a global warming caused by the society where I live and relievable by some economical efforts and some comfort deprivation". The existence of such possibility scares them because they'd have to compromise and give. It's much easier to believe that one million scientists say it is not true, as they signed a roll of toilet paper which went from hand to hand and from quill to quill.

[You're welcome to correct my English]

 

Oi vey~ stund. I have to remember to keep breathing. And count to ten.

 

Are you telling me that stay-at-home moms are not as good a source for climatology as working climatologists??? Crazy talk!

 

Haaah global warming... Only a few years ago it was the ice age. What happened...
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And a few years earlier than that the Earth was flat ...

 

But we are supposed to focus on the signatures, While Gore has found a new industry to make money on. All well and good you can explain your usage while paying yourself....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528

The little working person has to afford new light bulbs, paying more for fuel to get to work, buying cereal that feeds only three instead of four, but since Gore paid himself there was no global warming influence. He can hold all the parties he wants, fly in guests as long as he pays himself he hasn't had an impact?

We won't even receive tv signals after February of 09, unless we purchase a box.

http://dtvfacts.com/latest/479/cheap-converter-box/

Another captive market. Like the light bulbs.

 

How much are they going for where you live?

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=dtv%20converter%20box&origkw=dtv%20converter%20box&sr=1

40.00 coupon means the working person still has to pay to receive something in the past that was free. Who profitted by this decision?

 

Not all scientists agree?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece

 

::shakes head::

Good lord--don't they teach this sort of thing in primary school? Look up Milankovitch cycles. That will get the ball rolling. A few years ago was 12,000, and varition in orbital procession and obliquity (Milankovitch cycles) caused the climate to warm several degrees C over thousands of years...just as has been the case for at least the last million years, and probably the entire Pleistocene if not longer.

Again, look up Milankovitch cycles...that'l get you started.

 

Did anyone study math enough to understand what the freak this stuff is saying?

http://hps.elte.hu/zagoni/Proofs_of_the_Miskolczi_theory.htm

It's pretty advanced calculus, algorhythms etc... and don't know if it's huey, junk science, or if there's something to it. My tiny brain can't handle the math or equations.

 

I think most damning is that a handful of people will become very rich off the hysteria.