Nothing to Loose

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, Jun 6, 2008.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Okay, I just had a direct beam of understanding stab me in my brain. It goes like this…


    Ultimate Reality consists of nothing. Not no thing, as in nothing is present, but no thing as in one indefinable something to which nothing can be compared. When I say something to which nothing can be compared, I don’t mean some thing, as in some thing which exists, but something which can not be described in words but which I am attempting to describe using the only words that are available.

    So Ultimate Reality exists as something which is nothing and nothing which is something. A single entity made up of two contradictory parts which were never divided in the first place but, if you think about it, must give birth to each other the moment thought occurs.

    This can be expressed as a simple mathematical equation:
    UR = 0/1 = 0
    No wait….
    UR = 0/2 = 0
    Or more properly…
    UR = (0/2)2 = 0

    Hmmmm….I’m not getting anything, or rather I’m getting nothing.
    Let me try again:
    UR = 1/0 or 2/0…
    Sh-t, still nothing.

    Okay, I need some help from some math wiz out there, my brain seems to have sprung a leak when that beam hit and some of understanding leaked out onto the floor.
    How can we express the above paragraph mathematically so that nothing ends up equaling something and then when we flip it over backwards it disappears???

    Feel free to use a calculator.
     
  2. kaminoishiki

    kaminoishiki Member

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    You seem to be on to something there :) you were right in saying that it can't be described by words, because grasping to understand it separates us from it. We all seem to have our individual realities because of our thoughts, ultimate reality would be the culmination of all of those individual realities, or fragments of it, that reflect off of each other like mirrors, to create a whole.

    Maybe you might confuse yourself too much with maths. Maybe try using a metaphor instead.

    Think of an ocean. An ocean of consciousness. We're all drops in that ocean, but we're not actually separate to it (we simply think we are) we are a part of it and it consists of us. Reality is the manifestation of consciousness, which in turn is a manifestation of (what we perceive to be) reality.

    It's like a unity.

    Universe

    creates

    Consciousness

    creates

    Universe

    The Universe and Consciousness cannot exist without one another. Without the Universe Consciousness cannot exist. Without a conscious observer there can be nothing to observe.

    Thought is not the same as Consciousness ( it is simply a product of it). Thought is ultimately what separates us from one another, a limitation of our physical bodies which brings about the need to examine everything around us, and constantly question why? It's that which urges us to seek a missing piece within ourselves that isn't actually missing and ultimately that which causes suffering when the search never ends.

    Even these words will create concepts and wondering thoughts in your mind, please don't attach any value to them, because they are simply just words.

    Direct experience of consciousness free from the weight of thought, that is your 'ultimate reality'.
     
  3. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Well the problem is Meag, that the numberical representation of what your getting at, at least I dont think, will ever be able to wrap itself around ultimate reality.
    However, a sort of geometry can explain it, I believe, but we need to evolve into a new sort of phsycial/spiritual/mathematical language which when in comprehension will show us the light of creation and back. Visual understanding is a must, I think, after all eyes are the window to the soul, and light is the giver of truth :) The consciousness which composed physical reality, I believe, did so with leaving a geometric trail in the dust, and I hope that we keep working on that which is so obvious that people seem to be missing it. Of course, they have no choice XD
     
  4. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    yeah, but when you divide something by 0, the answer isn't 0 (nothing), the answer is "undefined".
     
  5. Jimmy P

    Jimmy P bastion of awesomeness

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    I liked this and I agree. although I don't like to use the word "reality"
     
  6. darrellkitchen

    darrellkitchen Lifetime Supporter

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    Wow ...

    I mean ... Like ... Wow ...


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    where UR=Ultimate Reality
    where CP1=Contradictory Part(1)
    where CP2=Contradictory Part(2)

    Now all you have to do is figure out the values for CP1 and CP2.

    That chart says: UR=CP1/CP2, CP1=UR*CP2, CP2=CP1/UR




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  7. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    here's what i can offer . it combines the work of two genius professors - one a mathematician , the other a psychologist/linguist . they independently worked on language as self-defining and to be understood by anyone (in the universe) .

    wouldn't ultimate reality be self-defining ?

    let j stand for equality . r for positive . y for negative(opposite)

    a series of equations begins with equal equals equal .

    j j j
    r j r
    y yj r


    yr j a
    a yj a


    the symbol a is apparently something wild . i think a is necessary for introducing a Q later on . let Q equal intelligence .

    w~ (meaning cycle) might easily come next .

    yryry j w~

    a cycling pos/neg would lead to an idea of matter . Q may only be a bit beyond that , eh ? Q so far has only been assumed .
     
  8. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    I feel like beating someone with a big stick.

    Contemplation can become like a dog chasing it's tail. And it has.

    Lots of drama. Darn little progress.


    x
     
  9. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    if it makes you feel better I didn't really understand the thread to begin with :D
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Darrell,

    (Reminds me of Ohm's law.)
    Obviously CP1 and CP2 must be equal and contradictory, like 1 and -1 maybe. And when you add 1 and -1 you get 0! 1 /-1 =0, 0/-1 =0 (I think), and 0 /1 =0? So we have two equal but contradictory units which total up to nothing!

    tikoo,

    Are you multiplying these? You're loosing me here!

    Actually now that I think about it Buckminster Fuller was doing all kind of math on this stuff, but it's hard to follow:
    Buckminster Fuller, http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s01/p0000.html

    ...and it may be awhile till I sign on again as I need to brake down my system and find a new IP.
     
  11. Alfi

    Alfi Member

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    It's fun words in this post

    but very very bad math
     
  12. zombiewolf

    zombiewolf Senior Member

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    I was thinkin' rock salt...:cheers2:
     
  13. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    so , sure , you will fail at defining it with any sort of language . it's joker's wild , nothing or anything , or the aaaaa! at the end of an indian joke . we traditionally do have a symbol for it . when i think to describe it mathematicaly it's exactly where the equation is pointedly a nonsense yet necessary to defining most every part of reality . how could you ever define intelligence without wild nonsense in the equation ?

    but you can't rely on nonsense . you begin with a statement of symbolic fact and very minimal assumptions .

    = = = , is the only fact i could think of . equal equals equal .

    then i'll assume we can accept

    + = +
    and
    + /= -

    multiplication may be described as any repeating bi-pattern :

    + - + - + - + - +

    the whole sense of this algebra of meaning is associative . everything must make sense except for one 'thing' . by this , and it's essential to ultimate reality , we can be universal and not argue much . hello , friends .

    by third grade you may have had a revelation like this :

    i think...

    1 universe + 1 universe = 1 universe
    and
    banana / apple = juice
    .

    the teacher just said shut up and get back to work .
     
  14. Bl4ck3n3D

    Bl4ck3n3D Member

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    Haha tikoo, it's time for Numerology of Numbers eh.
     
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