Obama supports national fingerprint registry

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/09/obama-among-supporters-of-national-fingerprint-registry/


Housing Bill Creates National Fingerprint Registry

• Posted June 9th, 2008 at 12.40pm in Entrepreneurship.

Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.

 

Hey its still change!

 

Anyone who conducts business to turn a profit is evil and the government should have their fingerprints on hand. This will make the exploitation trial much easier
-Obama

 

Not even this issue,but I've always been very worried about Obama as Pres.He just makes 'feel good speeches.He has not been specific in anything.The media gave this bum a free ride.Isn't it cute,America might have a black Pres.LOL.Seriously this Obama is a loser as is McCain.

 

Which Nation do you mean?

Obviously that does not refer to the United States

 

AND Bush,McCain and Obama have this in common they love illegal immigrants.So what is this BS change Obama talks about???Start talking seriously about deporting illegals and I may 'consider voting for him,otherwise I won't give him the time of day.

 

I didn't write the article, obviously. It was on the Drudge Report, taken from a Heritage Foundation blog, which is a neoconservative think tank that I obviously do not support. So the point of me posting the article is to show that Obama, who supposedly stands for "change" (whatever that means exactly), is going to be working to further the same 1984-style surveillance state that has been heavily advanced under Bush.

Do I agree with the people who wrote the article? No, because they most likely support McCain, who will implement the same thing if elected. But at least most people on these forums already know McCain is a creep. They just see Obama as being some sort of "solution" to the world's current problems when he's anything but.

 

Well now.

What the SAFE act is actually designed to do is specify much of the Patriot Act, to return some of our stolen freedoms. Nowhere in the Bill are fingerprints even mentioned. The place you took this info from, Pressed Rat, the "Foundry," is a right-wing blog. Their intention was likely to hurt Obama's image. Be prepared for more of this.

Here is the actual text of the the act (S. 1709):
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s1709.html

And here is Sen. Martinez's press release on the act, from which the Foundry trumped up this "fingerprint" B.S.:
http://martinez.senate.gov/public/i...-69bd-4aed-99b7-53d4b8579b72&IsTextOnly=False

 

No, it's not. That is a completely different bill you are thinking of. This bill was brought out in February of this year. The bill you are referring to is completely different and dates back to 2003.

The bill this article is referring to is The Secure and Fair Enforcement in Mortgage Licensing (SAFE) act.

The bill you are referring to is Security and Freedom Enhancement Act.

Two completely different bills altogether.

 

It's not just that. These people want a national fingerprint-biometric-DNA database. They always present it to the public as being for one group of people, then it's everyone.

And where did you get that ridiculous "quote" from? I think you pulled it out from your ass. Why would you make up a quote and then attribute it to somebody who never said that?

 

Yes, but this is a centralized FEDERAL database. Once the National ID rolls around they're going to be collecting your DNA and incorporating biometric iris scanning as well. Will you go along with this, too?? Don't you see the direction this is all heading, and it's being furthered by BOTH parties which are equally treasonous?

 

how many ppl. in america,, i mean to say what percentage of americans do you think fingerprints are not already on record?

i mean 1 out of 32 people have been arrested,then you have the people bonded for there job,those who have been in the military,the concealed carry people.. thats just off the top of my head..
i mean i bet there are under 20% of americans whos fingerprints are not already in a database..
i know mine are.

so in that respect i dunno what the big deal is about fingerprints..

 

Agreed, though I don't think mine were in the AFIS before I was arrested not to long ago

while I was in the holding tank they were forcing some guy who had record to submit DNA before he was allowed to see the judge, they said it was part of some new guidelines they had

 

yeah the DNA thing is state by state and at least here in georgia it has to be voted on by the masses(i believe it will be on the ballot this coming election).
im sure it will pass,and i guess for sex offenders i think its a good idea,but it wont be just for sex offenders it will be for anyone arrested..

 

Who watches the watchers?

Seems to me the thing to do would be to limit the power (not allow the FEDS to create and maintain such a database), not just put someone over them to "make sure" they don't abuse it. The amount of control seems to be more pressing than who's in control. There would be no way for you to ensure that those in the position of "oversee" the operations were'nt themselves corrupted. After all Absolute power corrupts absolutly, whether that the president, or the commitee appointed to watch the president. Seems to me that the best way to ensure that those powers are not abused is tio limit the amount of power, not who weilds it. NO database, not just a database that the "good guys" are watching over...

No security is suffecient for me to be okay with them having my DNA records as there would always be some (possibly corrupted) person in a position to work around that security. the best security would be to not allow them to hold the records.

 

That's actually not a bad idea, how have i not heard it before? Does it actually have a chance of happening? How do you keep them from denying civilians access due to "national security"?

 

I was agreeing with you - U.S. isn't a free country its a fascist police state.