why do people bug about heroin and not oxycontin?

No, there are plenty of super bad off Junkies down here, I just dont hang around them. I dont sniff a "bag" every now and then. I get black tar, nasty shit from Mexicans and I SHMOKE it off of aluminum foil, im sure youre familiar with that method. I shot up for a couple months and the sickness coming off was so insanely more intense than smoking even though I was doing the same amount...and...the high was better...but I dont shoot up anymore. [edit] Mexicans dont "bag" their dope. They put it in balloons. So, there arent any "dime bags" or..I dont even know I would have no idea what to call the whole game dealing with powdered dope. Generally its sold in 20s, half grams, and grams.

On my own I only do about...2 grams a day. I dont strip. Im an independent contractor for a marketing agency...I photograph corporate events being held at "big name" hotels.

I mean, is having a heroin addiction in itself not some sort of problem? Just because ive never stolen, or pawned..doesnt mean im waltzing through daises. Having ANY addiction is not the most FUN thing in the world, lmfao.

 

I mean I still do My Herion and I hold down a good Job as a insurance sales man but I am not addcited to it any more. Hey maybe you are holding it down just fine doing what you are doing but if I were to bet on it ,in the future if you keep uising if it will effect you in a negative light. I would be betting big time that it will at some time its almost certain if you ask me. Ihave been around so many addicits who use hard Opiates and Herion in my life and I would say 95% of them can't live a normal life becasue of there using. Good luck Girl I am rooting for you !!!

 

::shrugs:: everyones different man. Hope your peoples get their lives together.

 

Hey I may accidentally fall asleep..if so..holler at you tomorrow.

 

nirmalamaya- Good talking to you even though we don't see eye to eye.

 

No problem, Shocbomb

When you look at heroin addicts, some go down the tube very quickly...others, it takes a very very long time before they start their downward spiral (other than getting hooked on dope in the first place). Ive seen plenty of people, addicts..who turned into no good junkies. I just dont run around with them. My father was an addict, whom after 5 years turned into a junkie and left me and my mother with nothing. Not even over heroin, over dilaudid...now..ive done dilaudid and I understand, and back in his day they were 55 bucks a pill. Now theyre 13...MAX. My cousins ex (shes also my best friend) was also hooked on dilaudid and eventually...he turned into a thieving junkie. Being an addict is bad in itself, some people are just LUCKY enough that they dont have to lie, steal, cheat to get their fix. I felt, when I was shooting up...that I would start down that road very quickly if I kept up what I was doing. So I quit. Yep. I quit. On my own...like John Lennon said..cold turkeeeeyyyyss got meeeee...on the run. But, up until that point my fiance had complete control over buying dope, etc and he found out I was shooting up and bounced on me until I got clean...so I got clean from shooting...I guess I wasnt in contact with him for about...two to three weeks, I was off dope only about a week and a half, my physical symptoms for the most part had subsided but physical symptoms are SHIT when you start having the mental withdrawal and I called up the boys (thats what I call em) and met up for my first time, I got "a bag" (a 20) and banged it right into my left hand (favourite spot for me, easiest to hit ..personally) and I felt good..right..but..I felt bad..very bad and I knew if I kept it up, I was gonna be a lonely fucking junkie in no time flat. So I just stopped. Called my fiance and immediately he was checking my arms and hands and he found a loaded needle in my "drawer" and freaked on me and, I guess hes had a lot worse experience with junkies than I have...and hes sort of..I dunno, its hard to explain, hes like..the squatter type, sort of a punk hippie..crustie. I dont know..anyway...he used to squat right outside of downtown with a guy, the guy taught him how to squat effectively actually, and when he decided to stop squatting, the guy stayed..so every day hed go hang out with this guy and he said the guy was a "proud junkie"...whatever that means...so one morning he goes to wake him up and he was cold and grey. So him, and his friends just went out into the woods, dug a whole..and buried the guy. The dude had no friends or family or anyone that could be contacted other than them...so hes always been SUPER weary of needles he says once you see someone die over that bullshit it changes you inside if youre not already a needle addict yourself. Hes never shot up..I have...even shot up a dilaudid once behind his back so I fully realize my potential in becoming a piece of shit junkie so I just..I dont go there. I dont entertain those ideas anymore. To me, there is no other way of doing dope besides smoking it and hopefully, I will soon become mentally ready to deal with the disease and get off of it. Ive been on it for about three years, probably damn near three years so, being ill is not something im mentally prepared to go through again. I have INSANE anxiety problems which, ironically, is why I started using in the first place...I liked opiates better than anxiety meds and at the time I had no doctor and pills were easier to get..I started on Oxie, then one day when oxie wasnt around..got three 20 "bags" (balloons) of heroin. Since then...its like no other opiates even exist. Ive tried to kick multiple times. My first symptom is....extreme restless legs. So its like, the moment my legs become restless and I cant stop THEM FROM FUCKING MOVING...(its the most annoying, internally painful thing) ill go cop SOMETHING. If its too late toget dope (they shut down at 5pm sharp), then ill get OC's but, they just keep me from being ill I cant even get high off them anymore. Maybe if I took more than one 80 but..id rather save my money for heroin in the morning.


and I talk about this openly because there is no reason for me not to. I am what I am regardless of whether or not I talk about it online.

 

this thread got off topic, and then off-off topic. I dont even know what to respond to, I only skimmed the last three pages. TooCrisp attacked me for pointing out the flaw in his argument. The fact is drug use is not the single defining characteristic of a person. Every user has their own limits, their own rituals, and they're all right. To say that heroin use ALONE makes you "scum" is in my opinion akin to saying being black makes you scum. Its not true, but there are an awful lot of people who would argue the point. Its your opinion, I cant change it. I can pose an opposing view, and if you are a logical human (of which Im not quite convinced) you will respect my right to do so. I have never in my life used heroin, but that doesnt mean I wouldnt, it just means I dont have good connects. I can appreciate opiates, cocaine and LSD for what they are, not what you or society tells me I should think about them.

A needle has never killed anyone. a drug has never killed anyone. people make decisions about their lives, and if it doesnt affect you, you have no right to question or stop them. No right at all.

 

I absolutely entirely agree with you as much as you can possibly agree with someone.

 

LOL this argument will never end. fuck it.

Seriously NorCali, a drug has never killed anyone? Now that's just ignorant. Maybe not marijuana. But Alcohol kills countless people every year. So does other hard drugs, especially including heroin. And its the person's decision to do the drug, its not like hereditary heart disease which leads to a heart attack. And dont say "well my parents were both dope addicts" or whatever, my good friend whiteboy Frank's parents are junkies to the maximum, his dad is an alcoholic crack head and his mom is a pill popping animal. Frank never did anything more than weed and alcohol. And he's the nicest kid I ever met, he has the biggest heart.

I know people who are in their 40's like some of my mom's friends who have never tried a drug or even tasted a lick of alcohol in their lives. Why? Because they made the decision to not use mind-altering substances. Simple. So their chances of drugs negatively affecting their lives are close to zero percent. Unless they get hit by a drunk driver.

Even recreational drug use has a very small chance of affecting your life in a negative light. Reasonably higher than someone who doesnt use, but still small. But it depends of what you use or if its for an addiction or recreation. You can smoke weed for 40 years and be fine, or do heroin for 4 years and be in serious trouble if not dead or in jail.

I know every case has to be individually evaluated, but that doesnt mean some drugs affect your life more negatively than others. And H is a special case that ruins an innumerable amount of lives. If you're a heroin user and it doesnt ruin your life after long-term use, then you're not the example, you're the anomaly.

 

Wouldnt it be cool if...immortality made you an anomaly? Oh, fuck...I forgot. EVERYONE FUCKING DIES, LIVE YOUR LIFE HOW YOU WANT, IF YOU ARENT LIVING SOMEONE ELSES LIFE..SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT. Do what makes you happy, live your life how you want. MAINLY, though, allow others to live how THEY want also.

/end.

 

You're completely right about that nirma, I'm not some religious freak or a pastor here trying to save your soul. Do what ever makes you happy. Some people just have higher aspirations in life..

anyways, where'd you get the quote in your sig from?

 

Well, you being so educated, having higher aspirations and all, also being the psychic that you are...knowing people, their personalities, lives, and aspirations even though youve never met them...I would imagine it would be no problem for you to automatically know where my "sig" quote is from.


Google it.

 

Im going to assume you were high when you wrote this, because I cant make sense of it. Like I said, a needle never got up, filled itself with smack, hopped over to the nearest junkie and jumped right into his arm. When people make the decision to get high, they enter into an unspoken contract that says that they alone are responsible for what they do when their U.T.I., and what the drug does to their body. If you want to pretend like substances have a mind of their own, thats fine, but that thinking has gotten us into some pretty ridiculous legislation. I am of the opinion that everyone is 100% responsible for their actions, NO MATTER WHAT.

Oh, and I have repeatedly stated that I am NOT a heroin user/addict, nor will I ever be. Ill give it a shot, like every other drug. I happen to have one of the most coveted human characteristics, which people like you seem to be devoid of. Its called Will Power. Stop arguing, youre just wasting my time, embarrassing yourself, and making me ashamed to share a planet with ignorants like you.

 

No, I wish i was psychic, but from someone who says

this in such a depressing manner, I can make a relatively good guess about your aspirations. You live your life, work your photography job, buy your mexican heroin, and get high.. If you had a different view on life, I'd maybe think something else, like you aspire to get an education, get a better job, advance in life, help out the people you love, etc..

But with those type of quotes that just tells me you want to be left alone to do your drugs, and have no will to advance beyond your current situation. Sorry if Im wrong, its just the impression you're giving me.

 

Who the fuck are you to look down on her situation? Did you ever stop to think that there are people who see things differently than you, who have different values, not based on materialism and social hierarchy? Honestly, if I had to pick between being city-dwelling smack head with an alright job and some suburbanite desk jockey **** who every day wants more and more for his pitiful sham of a life to end, you bet your sweet ass Id pick the former.

 

Okay, you assume I was high, I'm going to assume you know how to read. Your first paragraph is right on target. I'm saying the exact same shit. Like you said, for example, the fucking needle didnt fill itself, the dumbass addict filled it, banged it in his arm, ODed and died. His fucking choice/decision is what got him killed due to his addiction, and his stupid ignorance of what the drugs could do to him. The truth of the matter is that his drug addiction killed him, and his drug addiction was brought about by him decisions in life. Like I said earlier, some people go about their whole lives without trying drugs, so they dont have to worry about dying from drugs like addicts do.

About the will power shit, read my previous couple of posts, assumming you know how to read.

 

Lmfao im cracking balls.

The quote is from a BOOK. Am I lying when I say that everyone dies and that one should live their lives how one wants and one should be allowed that liberty? Is that a lie? I dont understand whats depressing about it..

You really should not judge so quickly.

 

NorCali, this dude keeps....changing his statements to mean different things, and then dignifying other peoples statements theyve made, even though the statements are completely non agreeable with his, but he dignifies them by somehow attempting to take credit for them or flip flop them...its...really weird.

edit...
heres a good example of what im trying to convey..

Me: You may make the decision to go to the store one day..maybe the local walmart in your white trash town or wherever the fuck you come from (see I can make idiotic assumptions also, but the difference between you and I is, I see that mine are idiotic, and have no problem admitting so) and get gunned down, killed. Every step you take outside your front door, every second you continue living alters your fate because you could die AT ANY MOMENT and yet somehow...someway...despite the fact that a temporary life was lent to all of us...to borrow..and eventually give back to whatever may be out there whether it is YOUR GOD or simply just the cosmos that created us, fuck, maybe those things are the same..but somehow...everyone forgets this. Yes, we are given choices.....EVERYONE is given choices, that has SHITE to do with this conversation, son.


HIM:You just openly admitted your view is idiotic, sorry that I cant do the same. "EVERYONE is given choices, that has SHITE to do with this conversation, son." Anybody with half a brain could clearly see that it does. A fuckin blind and dumb Etheopian kid with malaria who doesnt speak english could see that it does. Are you going to tell me that it wasnt your choice to go and buy a bag of dope and rail or shoot it?!?!

ME:Now you are pulling at non existent straws. I never stated my view as idiotic. I stated my judgment that you were from a white trash town as idiotic. Learn to read, and then interpret. This is something you havent been able to comprehend, yet. Perhaps you will in the very, very near future.

Him:holy fucking shit you must be the dumbest bitch I ever talked to... did you not understand one piece of the math I dropped on you?!?! LMAO white town trash, bitch Im Colombian living in the heart of Miami, thats as far as you get from white trash, atleast here in the US. Stop making stupid assumptions.

 

Bro, besides the knowledge for self-satisfaction and my personal spirituality and salvation, Im going to college to get a good job and make money for my family. I am as unmaterialistic as it gets, if I have money, I dont give a fuck about owning a bmw or a nice house, Im gonna travel. Obviously if you choose what you said in that quote, you dont have no one that depends on you, no little brothers to take care of, and no aspirations for self-advancement either... so much for your will power LOL

 

There he goes being better than everyone else again, and knowing everything about everyone else. My guess is its his way of pushing his insecurities off onto others. ::eyeroll::

In the words of Immortal Technique..

"See me and niggas like you have never been equal. I dont project my insecurities onto other people."