Dilemma.

I was always taught that people who have any problems whatsoever should not be in this game period, that the slightest imperfection in a person could spell doom for those around him and perhaps even the whole world by serving as a gateway for entities and negative energy.

The dilemma is, this view has won me no friends over the years. I seem to come off to the rest of the magickal and psychic community as some kind of brownshirted Nazi.

Ive even heard it insisted that the damaged and traumatized come to the magickal community for healing, which of course i am aghast at. Its like saying that if you dumped all the nuclear waste in one spot, it would spontaneously clean itself up instead of reaching critical mass.

The conflict is, i want to believe that people can be helped. I just dont see a lot of it happening. What i end up seeing is hurt people perpetuating the evil inflicted on them by inflicting it on others. Thus my hardline position that no one else likes.

Help?

 

Well it's an honest question and addresses a problem alot of us encounter ...spiritual elitism.
And invites the question: What is perfection? Personally i don't think i've ever met anyone who is perfect and i don't expect to because i don't think perfection exists. I think perfection is a mental construct born out of separation from the whole .. the one. But i know love exists and love helps us see past all the dogma, intellectualising, ego trips and ... perfection seeking.
I am what i am. Just let me be me.

 

your views seem catagorical and by this you fail at reason - it's this that is similar to nazi thinking . it's certainly hopeless to catagorize an ideal . goodness is diffuse and flowing . who can know whence the healing for your dilemna shall come ... maybe from the magik of a psychic fish . community is a pretty big thing .

 

In the words of Zen master Shunryu Suzuki: "Everything is perfect, but there is a lot of room for improvement." Do you understand this statement, Lutzi'ya? If not, you must need some improvement...

 

To be honest.... I don't see anything wrong with your ideals. You haven't got a dilema, well at least not from where i'm standing.

C'mon? I mean... problems are there to be solved... it's human nature not to have problems. I see no problem with you (see what i done there? ) so don't worry... thinking that you've got a problem will probably mean you've got a problem... and you ain't got one.

 

Lutz, I have a comment for you.

The world's full of imperfect people. There's pobody nerfect, and the ones that 'did' perfect themselves have incarnated out. So work on perfecting yourself, and if you don't feel the need to help, then don't hinder.

Aldous Huxley quotes I think are pertinent.
'There's only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's yourself.'

'Experience teaches only the teachable'

'At least two-thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity: idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religous or political ideas.'

 

Wow, I guess that you have not the slightest imperfection then. Good for you. I myself would find this a rather limiting viewpoint.

Perhaps, however, believing that the slightest imperfection will cause disaster is an issue in itself. We manifest what we believe. The world is imperfect. See where this is going?

Most people take at least some direction from the Universe. If a bunch of people around you have issues with you perhaps it isn't just all of them that have a problem?

I also don't quite understand why you are aghast about Healers. Energy transformation is one of the fundamental aspects of many paths. The worst any entity or negative energy can do is magnify and feed off of one's reactions to one's own imperfections, so you should have no worry. You do seem afraid though, what with all the "spell doom for the world" and humans as nuclear waste.

Speaking of that, when one equates human beings to nuclear waste - everyone is a mirror you should be able to look into and see yourself. Enough said.

I would think that the more perfect (or enlightened as I like to call it), the more diverse and incorrigible people one could work with, as one would be able to see the divinity shining through the imperfect perceptions they layer upon themselves and connect with that on a deep level, draw that forth into the working. IN my opinion this would be of benefit to all parties involved.

But, what do I know, i'm just a fool...

 

Lutz, I think you're missing a very big portion of things that differentiates people from nuclear waste. People have the ability to choose. Granted, they may not even be aware of the choices they make, but that doesn't mean the choice doesn't exist. It's like someone looking for water in the desert. Every desert has water, the question is, does the person in question have the educated ability to make the choice to go to the sources of it (by knowing they even exist, or are likely to) and tap them. In spirituality, such a metaphor seems particularly appropriate, in that you find a lot of spiritual seekers looking for something that they don't even know they need, and hence the communities tend to wind up being very unstable. Someone who finds an oasis in the desert has themselves, a choice. To alert those passing by and risk the pollution of the oasis by their undisciplined exuberance, and in some cases drowning themselves, or to help them learn how to safely draw what they need without harming themselves or others?

Nuclear waste, however, has no choice in the matter but to be toxic. People, on the other hand, can choose to be...or not to be. I've found that a great many people that're toxic have little understanding of the choices not to be, and find themselves falling into self-pity or arrogance, which are like cancers. Does this mean we allow the toxic to infect us? No. Does it mean that if we can help them, we should? Perhaps. If the helping doesn't require ourselves to take on their problems for our own. However, the more disciplined, the more enlightened and closer to perfection we personally become, the greater our ability to resist being polluted with the toxic ourselves. Those with a strong immune system can do more to help those with communicable diseases without becoming sick, than those with compromised or weakened immune systems can.

Vanity, insecurity, negative self image, self-hate, pity, loathing, fear..these are the things that many of the sick people in spiritual communities seek to be rid of, and a great many spiritual communities suffer from the presence of these things, because people believe in the ability of the external to affect them, for good or ill. the question is, how many of these conditions are self-inflicted by people who do not understand the choices they have?

you know, lutz, the farther outside oneself a person looks, the farther separated from themselves they get.

To paraphrase St. Augustine "If one says 'I've reached perfection, this is enough' then they are lost, for it is the function of perfection to know one's own imperfections."

Once in a while, it hits people that they don't have to experience the world the way they've been taught or told to. Once people start looking past the masks and the bs, and start to know themselves, then they can start towards enlightenment.

 

how do you avoid Supremacy if you hate it while needing it's power for yourself to survive it ? this is the realist dilemna . some will conclude they need another kind of power , say , jesus angelic anarchy buffalo medicine power . to the realist this will seem delusional and of itself dangerously frail .

the hobo way seems pretty reasonable . walking along and then sleeping under some beautiful tree every night - or in the afternoon if you feel like it . supremacy gets pretty much unreal , or afterwhile a master of proper and intelligent bumness can toy with the rules and judgements easy .

and it is , after all , by becoming that another kind of power way beyond Supremacy .