does god still love me?

anyone interested may follow the link below... discussions werent the methods of the prophets ...faith is something different...
http://www.nur.org/treatise/collection/index.htm

 

I believe Jesus still loves you Be yourself & others should, too.

 

if it was a satanist boy who cut his mother into pieces in the bathroom-as happened here in my country a few days ago, wOULD u still be saying "be yourself and others should do"? he was himself and see what happened...
you really choose very easy ways...as for a satanist, cutting someone into pieces may stand on the terms of good, and vice versa so who will decide what is good or bad if it is human beings themselves only...if u say " good-will or logic will solve" i ask you whose goodwill, and whose logic? so , anything you say DONT REALLY SEEM PRACTICAL..

id like to go on, but very busy right now...so let me go on some other time if you care...

 

i would consider that far more a matter of mental illness and disease than spirituality and "being yourself."

 

By and large this makes sense- although I'm hesitant to color all Christians with the same brush. As much antipathy as I harbor toward the manner in which the faith is too often expressed I remind myself of the devout Christian household I was part of during high school-- and the class and respectability that a couple foster parents had in living their faith every day of the week- not just a couple hours on Sunday. They would probably beg to differ with FUA however...

 

ah, thats the answer, so, same thing is true for those male having sexual intercourse with male...illness and disease...and diseases have to be dealt with somehow...or cured...if not , it will grow and consume the whole body...one should not say" be yourself", when it stands out to be a threat to human nature and sociaty......
have you ever heard of a gay animal? its the human beings that do such nasty thing though they claim to have intelligence, soul, etc etc...
i dont include the ppl who dont have proper sexual organs... i admit that there may be physiologic problems which needed medical help or anything else. but if the problem is with the behaviours, that should not be tolarated.

 

Uhhh no, its not clearly stated. You made a statement of what a "God of Love" would embrace and we aren't talking about a "god of love", we're talking about the Christian/Judeo god of the bible. Leviticus is clear on what this god wants, and he doesn't want men having sex with men if we are to believe the interpretation of Hebrew to Greek to English.

As for being on topic, I was on topic and only pointed out that without the bible, Picas wouldn't have to worry about being gay. Without the bible, there is no evidence of this god, period. Whats the point of belief if you can't scrutinize what you believe?

 

Huh? You mean you've never heard of gay animals? If I was to show you evidence of gay animals would you think its OK to be gay then? What makes you think a gay person can just "pick" what his/her orientation is? Try thinking of yourself in a gay relationship, does it repulse you? If so, isn't it logical that being gay is just the same way for them, they are repulsed by hetero relationships? It may be no easier for a gay person to be attracted to a member of the opposite sex as it is for you to be attracted to another man, in otherwords, its a biological condition, not necessarily a free will choice.

Next you would need to provide evidence that being gay is detrimental to any society. Again, if its biological, it makes sense that it won't happen to all of society just because we all of a sudden allow it as a society. Another point to consider is that homosexuallity has been around since... well.... as long as man has recorded history at the least, if not longer at best. We're still here, why? Because it doesn't happen to everyone "just because".... Some are born with this orientation, most are not. Him being gay is no more a disease than you being heterosexual.

A simple Google search on "Gay Animals" produced 60,000 listings on the subject, pick one. Pictures included.

 

wow, ive learnt something new, thank you... ive never heard before. yet, i can say, dont be like animals at least then lol...
and i know its history...and know the "sodom gomore " case as well...
see what happened to them...but of course, your scientific perspective will interpret that as not a wrath of god, but some scientific rules...thus, can i come to a conclusion that nature hates them and punishes them lol...you dont have a definate answer to these questions?
why do we exist, what is good or evil, what will happen when one die etc etc...thus varies the many religions througout the history...even the cannibals have ....
however, it will be useless to deal with someone so much devoted to the belief that god does not exist...
fullstoppp...

 

ottomans...chill the hell out. Number ONE he is not talking about himself being a satanist. Number 2 ~ I was just making the point that if someone is gay, then that is who they are, & God & any other should accept him for that. Now of course, IF someone is a murderer then of COURSE they should be stopped...that is just moral.

 

Nature does not discriminate, unlike you.


There is nothing good or evil, yet thinking makes it so.

 

All you know about S&G is what was told in the OT. THere is no evidence that it ever happened they way it described in the bible. Not to mention, if it did happen, then you will also have to accept that the Earthquake in China is Gods wrath for them not believing in your version of god, you have to believe that the Tsunami that happened a few years ago to all those devout muslims was the wrath of god because they didn't believe in the Christian version of god and you have to believe that all natural disasters are the result of gods wrath, you can't have a double standard for one group of people and not another, thats just intellectually dishonest.

Never assume I don't have an answer. Just because natural disasters happen, it doesn't mean its the wrath of god. Why would you assume that? What evidence do we have that it is infact wrath at all? None.

Because we evolved, the real question that we don't have an answer for is why does life exist at all. We may not have a definative answer for this question, but there is certainly no reason to assume any god has any role in life existing, saying "god did it" is nothing more than god of the gaps reasoning, answering the unknown with another unknown.

Subjective values we place on various acts determined "good" or "evil" usually by society and cultures.

The body starts to decompose, your atoms will eventually return to the earth and your mind will die with you. There is no evidence of a soul that can live with "us and our thoughts" outside of the brain. When the brain goes, so do you. Think of death like pre-birth, "you" will never be aware of it.

First of all, I don't have a "belief that god doesn't exist", I lack belief in the existence of gods, there is a difference. To say I "believe" god doesn't exist is no more logical than saying, I "believe" the toothfairy doesn't exist. I lack belief because I lack evidence. If I assume you are muslim (by the red icon under your name) then I propose that we are both atheist. You lack belief in all other gods and I lack belief in one more god than you. When you understand why you lack belief in all the other possible gods, you will understand why I lack belief in yours as well.

The fact that there are thousands of gods being worshipped throughout history and no evidence for any of them, there is no rational reason to assume any of them exist. This isn't saying that one doesn't exist, its just saying we have no evidence and thus no reason to believe one does.

 

i was totally gonna post on this, but y'all covered it for a blissfully loving bisexual woman.

 

itsdart, while there is no objective conclusive evidence for the existence of God, you seem to rule out the possibility entirely. You didn't explicitly state that, but it seems to be implied.

you are waiting for evidence though right? but this is why it is a faith. yes, it is not the most logical way to live around, but I like to look at things from all sides. I could be wrong.

I'm just saying that you shouldn't dismiss it simply because it hasn't been "proven" to you yet. I haven't really gotten a grasp on whether you hold strong or weak atheistic values, but this...

...as a definite statement about reality, and your mere presence in this thread, with the tendency to gravitate towards discussions on the existence of God, indicate strong.

I'm just trying to say that you shouldn't dismiss a possibility in favor of another, when neither are proven. Seems to be what you are doing.

 

My position is weak atheism when speaking of gods that seemingly break the laws of physics. There has never been any evidence of anything supernatural ever happening other than anecdotal evidence, the worst kind of evidence there is. When speaking of undefined gods we may not be aware of, my position is agnostic, we just don't know. Maybe you missed this part of my post where I said.....The fact that there are thousands of gods being worshipped throughout history and no evidence for any of them, there is no rational reason to assume any of them exist. This isn't saying that one doesn't exist, its just saying we have no evidence and thus no reason to believe one does.

The only reason I can think of why people rationalize the existence of an afterlife is because of the fear of death and the lack of knowing what, if anything does exist after death. Gods with promises of heaven is a nice thought, and the fear of hell works well to keep some people "inline" with society, but without evidence, its just wishfull thinking. Humans have a vivid imagination and we've concocted all sorts of unbelievable concepts throughout history, I find the god concept just another unbelievable thought in light of all that science has answered so far about the universe. Humans have been around 10s of thousands of years, yet we've only answered a small part of it all in the last couple hundred, I'd love to be around in another couple hundred years to see what else we've learned, but alas, my time is as limited as everyone elses.

 

For ONE who are you to say what God or anyone should except? Why do we accept or not accept anything? And if someone murders why should they be stopped?? whats wrong with killing another human being? We are just animals right?, from the same hiccup and a big boom, evolved from the same thing....animals kill other animals and each other all the time. Sooo what or who has the right, to deem killing another human wrong? NOTHING outside of God. You say "that is just moral" well where do morals come from, where do any laws come from. With out a God we are just living and playing a stupid little game with a bunch of made up rules for no reason other than we have the intellect to make them up and enforce them. without a Supreme creator there is no point in law, no absolute truth (ie. CANNOT SAY RAPE, MURDER, STEALING, SEX WITH INFANTS is absolutly wrong) , no reason to really do anything, especially listen and follow any law set by man.

 

um no..

we deem murder wrong, and we are right to stop a murderer, because a murderer is infringing on someone else's life. that's why it's wrong. you can fuck up your life all you want, but why go out and destroy someone else's?

Morals come from human empathy. We can imagine ourselves in another person's shoes, imagine what it is like to be them. So if we dont want to inflict suffering on ourselves, why would we want to inflict it on anyone else? wont they hurt just the same? that's where we get our right and wrong from.

 

I think you should quit thinking about God as if it is a man with a beard, judging your every move.

God is nature, and when you align your heart and intentions with the greater good of mankind, you are doing what you are supposed to do, it doesn't matter if you get a hard-on for guys or for girls. You exist, that is proof enough that you have purpose in the advancement of humanity, as well as all life in the universe.

Good= anything that benefits the human race (when a member of a species acts to benefit it's own kind, then it also acts to benefit all life as a whole in the universe.)

Evil= Any thought or action which is detrimental to the progression of your species. Being gay doesn't make you evil just because you'll probly never wanna stick your dick in a girl and make babies, though. If you live your life for the greater good (meaning putting your SELF aside), then you are fine. Seeing homosexuality as anti-human is pretty close minded, especially considering the way so many countries are overpopulated.

Animals can't sin because they don't have the mental capacity. Every decision an animal makes is ultimately for the greater good of it's species, because all it has is instinct to act on.


As humans, we are part of nature just like everything else that's alive, but our intelligence is a double-edged sword, because we think, but we no longer are swayed by the ebb and flow of nature...at least not to the degree less intelligent species are.


It's like as a species, we evolved into sentient intelligent creatures, but with that accomplishment, we no longer have training wheels and we must decide for ourselves, how to act and for the species to survive, it requires more of a conscious effort on the part of individual humans.


But in the end we are all part of nature, and the most you can ask of nature is to survive. Align yourself with the greater good and you'll be good

 

. Blasphemus. It isn't the Christian God, it is just God. He is the father of Mankind. He is the king of kings, the supreme ruler of the Heavens and of the Earth. Christianity isn't corrupt. There are sects which are corrupt, but they are not really Christians.

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. After blasting God, you then state the obvious.

Christianity is for those who choose to follow Christ's teaching. To love one another, to love your neighbour, to forgive those who trespass against you and to be thankful for the food you recieve. So far, these rules don't scare me. The prospect of someone forgiving me for things I did wrong, doesn't leave me fearful. I actually feel hopeful, feel that even in final judgement, the Lord will seek compasion and forgiveness. He may not send me to Heaven, but he may give me another chance. It could be the case that we all end up in Heaven, because Christ died for our sins. He took man's sin and washed it away. Although man still sins, Jesus paid for our sins. So that in Gods eyes, we are good. So God loves you, he loves sinners and those who try to do what is right.

But I think one must fear authority. Kids these days in britain fear not authority. That is why they break the law, kill each other and destroy families and make London a Killing field. He who fears authority will live accordingly to the jurisdiction.

 

There is a God, it's been scientifically proven that there are spirits. But God did create us, but there's no reason to suspect he just put us on earth like we are now, bipedal, sentient beings. He could have sparked of evolution.. according to scientists it's a random process, so what's the chances? God did had some part in creating us, just maybe not as everyone believes....