Heroin users, question.

Damn, man. That's from the horse's mouth.

For real..... the better the high, the harder it is to walk away from.

It's not the substance, it's the addiction that ruins lives.

So we say, "be careful" ...but not everyone gets to choose to not get hooked.

Peace.

 

So much false information and bullshit in this thread its hilarious. It seems to be that the rule of thumb on the internet is to play off your own opinion as fact without any actual evidence. But oh well, not gonna change.

 

^^^nice insight.

seriously

 

in my experience...this "jump" is ussually taken after oxycontin stops getting people high.

 

I did heroin because I wanted to do heroin.

 

same here, i love to experiment with every high i could possibly get. thats why i was on a quest to try every drug i can get my hands on. my caring and loving surrounding prevented me from ever getting addicted to anything. and my xtra cautiousness prevented me from ever ODing. i knw who i am n no substance in this world is stronger than me, addicts choose to be addicts with out knwing. life is short do what the fuck u wanna do, look at keith richards still alive n rockin. if u ever get addicted then its ur fault for putting urself in this mess, be responsible for ur choices deal with it.

 

navajas-Do you really think people set out to get addicted or something, I don't understand your thoughts, You talk Like people are lessor then or weak willed becasue they get addicted to drugs. Yeah look at Keith Richards he has been rushed to the hospital and picked up buy the Peramedics and almost died countless times from OD's.Shit the man looked like he was 90 years old at the age of 35 for christ sake !!!! actually looking at Keith Richards should tell you all you want to know about drug abuse-LOL- The man is a poster board for Drug addiction how much it will make you look like shit !!!! I love people like you who think they will never get addicted and think they are stronget then the drugs 9/10 it speople like you who get addicted first or already are but are in total fucking denial !!!! I am not trying to be a Dick but do you know how many dam people I hiung out with and saw over the years who thought just like you. They all thought they were more powerful then drugs also. After awhile if you keep fucking playing Russian Rolutte one time your ass is gong to get the loaded chamber. Any one can get addicted to drugs I don't care who you are or how strong you think yuor will is, Shit you can use Herion 1000 times and still not get addicted to it but maybe the 1001 time thats when you start to crave it and want it all the time and slowly become addicted then froom that point on you go down hill into the world of Addiction. Shit no one knows why brain chemistry works like it does with drugs when it comes to addiction. Some become addicted after there 1st time smoking Crack some after 143rd time,some will always be able to keep it under control but thats the minority. The fucking odds are people who fuck with hard drugs like Herion,OC's,Coke,Crack,Meth etc over and over will get addicted sooner or later I can tell you that. It just never seems to amaze me Its funny as all Hell so many people think they can fuck with Hard drugs over and over and nothing will happen.The odds are it will and most of the times does !!!! Alot of people don't even know they are addicted to drugs to be honest until after bad shit starts to happen like social problems, legal problems, Financial problems etc,problems with loved onee and frinds etc It usally takes a combination of all before the addcit might start to think there it something wrong with there drug use and the life style they are living. and Some never will.

 

ur 100% right! n Im not saying the addict is a weak person or dissing addicts. I understand addicts. However all Im tryin to say is that they arent victims. Im addicted to nicotine, it was the first drug I got addicted to, however it taught me alot. Why wont I be from the minority u mentioned who are capable of controlling themselves, isnt it a good thing to think I am? Could u tell me why did I shoot Heroin only ONCE n never done it again? I AM STRONG, n Id like to think that. It gives me power to fight cravings if I get em. What do you want me to say, Im weak, Im gonna get addicted. IMO addicts like flirting with death, n deep down their conscience they choose to rebel on the world by being addicts. beein an addict means that ur a victim of society, n i think some of em like the idea. u misunderstood my post, ive never meant it in a way that people wake up one day n say lets be addicts. now ofcourse first time somebody tries a substance, he does it for the experience, thinking that hes stronger than the drug. however after u do a drug occasionally for sometime u can know when u start havin a problem, n at that stage its simple to solve the problem cuz ur just at the beginning. Denial is what fucks people up. Im saying Im stronger than these substances cuz I tried them, flirted with them occasionally, I even experienced the rush, I dnt do em anymore, PERIOD. i got addicted to nicotine cuz i was a fucking irresponsilbe kid, however if i was at the age of 18, im sure it would have been a whole different story. n btw keith is good example of how drugs dnt always ruin ur life. I agree he was a first class addict, however the guy lived one hell of a life, hes been there since the 60s, seen it all, dabbled with drugs since he was a kid, tried it all, sex, drugs, violence u name it, hes rich n famous, still alive n rockin, n his mind is perfectly sane, n id even call him a well read intelligent person, when he looks back at his life he can go n say DAMN, unlike most of people his age. some people played it safe n died at a much earlier age. doctors wanna study his fuckin body after he dies, he had hepatitis c n cured it himself. even if u compare bob dylan n richards now, bob dylan looks much older n sounds older eventhough he didnt do tenth of the the drugs kieth did. on the other hand u got people like jim morrison, hendrix, joplin, cobaine. the difference between them n kieth is that he didnt have a self destructive mentallity. BTW both posts I was high on Hash when I wrote em, so I might be babbilin, however Im lucky to have tried every substance I can lay my hands on, never got addicted, never ODed in the end got satisfied n stopped, all im sayin is its possible.

 

O so what you are trying to say is people like being addicts to crave attention and play the whole victim role.and do so unpurpose ? I bet there is tons of Scientific and studies to back that claim Up !!! I just guess they like going in and out of Jail and Rehabs all the time, I bet they just lover driving into the worst parts of the Ghetto to get there shit every day. I guess from what you say the reason they fuck over there loved ones and steal every thing not nailed down is just for attention ? Please man you theory sounds absurd. Most drug addicts could give to shits about what people think and want sympathy. They are to dam bussy trying to get money and get high. Your theory just makes no sence in my eyes I guess we can agree to disagree. I mean so many people are addicts are you telling me a large majority of them just want attention and thats all and the drugs have no influence on there problem or life style ?And as for Keith Richards living this great and wonderful life style you think he has the difference between Keith and the others who died is pretty much just luck Thats about all and the fact he went threw rapid Detox every time his dope habbit got out of control. He was the one who made the 24 hour rapid detox famous. Shit he could of died any one of those times he did dope its just pretty much luck and how much dope his body could handle shit Some die the 5th time they shot dope some after 2 years of being addicted and some never do.And as for your claim of him being sane well any one who makes a joke about mixing there fathers ashes in with a 8 Ball does not sound to sane of mind to me ? And the big ass difference between Keith and the regular perosn who is addicred is money keith has the money to spend for his shit, He does not have to rob and fuck people over for his Fix.That is a big ass reason why he has been ale to live life as a addict so good. IF he was the normal Joe we would of been livng in a card board Box a long ass time ago or be in prison, Money helps no matter what problems you have !!!! all I am saying it go shot dope or smoke Crack for 3 months straight every day and then try to put the shit down the 91st day I bet you could not I bet 99/100 people out there could not. Some people it might take longer some a hell of alot shorter but if you keep fucking with that fire your ass is going to get burned sooner or later I can tell you that man. Any one who uses can become a addict I don't care if you have a Ironclad will power or have the self esteem of Derek Jeter it can happen to you and the longer and the more you fuck with hard rugs the greater the chances are it will. Shit for years I thought I had it all under control, I thought I would never become a addict. I really thought I could live a normal life doing all the shit I was doing and living the criminal life style I was, Even the first few Times I went o jail and Rehab I did not think nothing was wrong. Boy was I wrong in the end and about 90% of the kids and people I used hard rugs with growing up were also. And thats no bull shit eather about 9 out of evey 10 kids I hung with not only my boys my frinds in my crew but every one I did hard drugs with are still addcits or recovering addicts to this day, I have not seen to many people in my day who were able to do shit every sinigle day like trip out, smoke Rock,sniff lines and shoot dope and then just walk away from it like that !!!!! Even today I know I am a Addict I am not going to lie to myself its not like I am admitting defeat or something I really don't care I still use my drugs. Not like I ounce did when I was really bad and totaly strung out and only cared about the next high and using drugs was 24/7 Job.Even to this day I still shoot my dope and sniff my coke every now and then and I always will probably but I had to give all the shit up for almost 2 years until I went back to using where I could use and not get out of control again.I think I pretty much just grew up and learned there was more to life then partying,Fucking and drugs !!!!

 

You totally convinced me, I retreat. Everything you said i so wise and intelligent and you made great valid points. I have one question though do u blame ur previous addiction on heroin and coke or urself? I always knew that there is more to live than partying, drugs n gettin wasted n thats why I always was an occasional user. For example I havent done coke n heroin for a year however SWIM is goin on a trip to Canada in July n is plannin on flirtin with these substances, I choose not to never do these drugs, cuz frankly the high n euphoria are great, hope i can stay in control of myself like I always did, wish me luck. Do u consider that an addiction? Im learining alot from u cuz uve been through alotta shit it seems so all i got is respect. oh one more thing what do u think is better to never ever try these substances coke n heroin? or to try em hoping not to get into addiction? cuz ur sayin u can never knw if ur gonna get addicted or not, n that 90% of the addicts u knw thought they had strong will n that theyre stronger than the drug. So what is better, to play it safe, or risk n have fun. personally i dnt regret doin these susbtances n im so glad i was able to experience such amazing bliss n euphoria.

 

i'd say if you can't completely cut it out of your life, then its an addiction. a subtle one, but still an addiction.

oh yea, it doesn't matter how strong you are, i mean mike tyson turned into a cokehead right? it just matters if you have the will.

and there's no occasional use without an addiction, i mean, why do it if it's not right?

 

who decides that its not right? society? i would never do something if think its wrong. I can cut it completely out of my life but the advantage that I have is I can experience a great high if I want to, unlike people who hide in cukoons n decide to never try anything and follow this rule. to me drugs are like diving with sharks, car racing, stunts etc... i dnt recommend drugs for anyone, but they wroked for me. im pretty sure when im old, married with a family things are drugs loose their meaning. So for now as long as Im still young I wanna party, n remember I havent partied for a year cuz I choose to. my rule is to only do coke n Heroin when Im away from the place I live in, travelling. Where I live, I dnt do them so it doesnt turn into an addiction.

 

Its an addiction when you havent had dope in 6 hours and you damn near shit your pants and vomit at the same time.

 

shoc bomb, what about heroin kept you hooked toit so bad that you had to lie, cheat, steal and stuff to get it, was it a chase to get the high cause you loved it so much, or were you trying to stay away from the withdrawals, or both or other?

 

Okey,Dokey....you asked, my experience......my whole life at least as an adult I sold weed, sometimes large amounts , some mid level, got into wholesaling H in NYC cause I had a real good supply from the guys from the pizza connection in the 80's. Mind you I did not use it at the time.
Eventually, I am goin away Fed time for a bit {they tried to give me 30 mandatory min, they got 7}, anyway prior to going I started using my supply which was large. Being on the piddy pot out on bail and waiting for appeal I started sniffing, man short order I was banging dope like I was in a race. oops, got caught with a loaded handgun on my boat labor day 89 I am in Rikers Island C-95 for 5 days till bailed out, kicked cold turkey which suxors big time.
Of course I knew within short order the US Marshals are coming to get me to remand me cause I broke the court order to be clean.

So, I start bangin dope again. Yes dope does not harm you except maybe the cut and the lifestyle can kill you because of the downward progression of lifeskill temporarily lost. No one knew I used unless they caught me Nodding.

For the men, it does become your woman, cause initially its great, then ya cannot keep an erection. It is very subtle at first then you just are not dependent you are addicted, when you obsess over it you are screwed.

At this point help is needed, ya cannot stop yourself, some have, very few, most fall and fall hard. And if ya use other drugs too this is all worse exponetially.

Fastforward, I now an a network admin for one of the biggest companies in the world, I cover Florida /Caribbean. Life is allot simpler since I got clean, ya got to be ready , really ready. I was lucky, most of the crew I ran around with in NYC are in Prison for 20+ years or dead, actually out of ten guys I am the only one left alive free except for the rat who will get his one way or another.

Oh, I found it harder to stop smoking than kicin Dope

 

^if thats true thats some crazy shit. was the dealing worth the time?

 

Freedom Man- Really Great Question Man. I really don't know what the answer would be though becasue now when I look back at the stupid and crazy shit I did for drugs I can't fucking belive half the shit I did just to support my drug habbit. It was a combination of alot of things I loved the high and was down right greedy and wanted it all the time. When I got addcited to opiates real bad I did not want to get sick in the morning so I had to find away to get my bag of dope or some pills and the things I did to get it got worse and worse over time. Addiction is a combination of so many things drugs are only a small part of it. There are so many character flaws a addict has when they are using and they just keep getting worse and worse the more they live that life style. Each day you sink deeper in that hole and lifestyle of addcition. Shit I don't think any one who gets addictdd to drugs thinks they ever will do the shit they did for them no one ever thinks it will get that bad to where they will have to rob and steal and fuck over people to get high but usally it does it does not happen over night like I said eather it something that is slow ! The things you will do for your drugs just keep getting worse the more you use. Thats why I am so dam luckey I am not Dead,In prison,or the best case scenario living homless in the streets of New York City and just chasing the next shot or Herion and coke. To answer your question the best I can Well I guess it was time that made me that bad. My morals just shit the bed slowly but surly pretty much the more I used and got more addicted.Drug Addiction become a 24/7 Job for me. Shit I knew it was wrong the criminal behavior I was doing but I was just so out there I did not give a fuck at all when I was using,All I thought about all day and night was getting high and how I was going to get $$$ to get my drugs. Another thing was I was addicted to living that fast life style where you get easy $$$ just as much as I was addcited to the drugs. The longer you live that life style of being a addict I don't care who you are the more your morals and actions will fade away, Until you become a down right junky who will steal and rob from anyone. It just amazes me looking back at what I did now with a reasonable head on my shoulders. I am so fucking happy I stopped when I did becasue I was bad but it could of goten alot worse. Towards the end of my Addiction when I was shooting about 10 to 15 bags of Herion a day and shooting coke every day also I was just gone I had no morals left what so ever and wanted nothing in my life but drugs. I was such a fucking criminal I would not even think twice about braking into homes or cars,etc and now you could not pay me enuff to so something like that. Alteast all the bull shit stopped there I never did a vilonet crime for my drugs or anything like that I was just stealing any thing not nailed down to pawn off. LOL. As fior getting clean and away from that life the bottom line is I really think I just grew up after I got clean and got away from the life style I was living.Sure it took my 3rd overdose to wake me up but I did finally wake up and look at what I was doing and realized how bad I was and I knew that the options for my future were not to bright.and from that point on I really fucking changed everything in my life. Don't get me wrong I still enjoy my drugs even today like coke and dope I just know to respect them and when they are gone that its don't keep chasing the high thats where you get your ass into trouble, And also I set rules for my self when I use now a example is I will only use ounce a month thats it. I know if I did drugs for back to back days or go on a run I will get that erge back again and that makes becoming a addict again that much greater.Shit at first when I got clean and on Methadone all I thought about was drugs, But as time went on the erge wore off to use. I just never want to go back to being a junky Never. Its been over 2 months now sence the last time I got any dope a few years ago I could not go a day with out using. I think thats what it is. The last time I did dope I posted the pics of the bags on hear so when ever that was. That right there is a miracle in its self and shows me how much I really changed and how my addciton is not in control any more. Like I said I love my drugs and if I want to still be able to use them I have to learn how to limit myself and let time come in between every time I use. I think I will be fine the rest of my life doing dope and coke the way I am now ? Some people can nor do this thought some who are addcits and stop can never got back ounce they do they are off to the races again so just becaseu using like this works for me does not mean it will work for every one. It took a long time and alot of shit to teach myself how to use drugs like a normal person does recreationally.

 

I got into smack through going to Raves. I was already using other drugs heavily, one night I'd had 5 tabs of Ecstacy, a tab of acid, and about 2 grams of coke. Was totally off my cake, went back to a party and was trying to come down by smoking weed, we smoked all we had, and one of my friends pulled some wraps of Heroin out, I bought 2 from him and smoked them.
I ended up with a £40 a day habit within 6 months. At 18 I was shooting about 3 grams a day and doing speedballs every other day. At 25 I was on 7 grams a day at least, like Shocbomb says it becomes your life, you'll do anything to get the cash for your next score. I've been clean of Heroin for nearly 2 years now, but tbh I'm still fucked up over it all. Most people I know are either smackheads/dealers or don't want anything to do with me, and for good reason, I did a lot of stupid, unforgivable things that I'm ashamed of. I'm about 4 weeks off finishing my Methadone detox, then I will be opiate free for the first time in nearly 10 years, and it scares the shit out of me.

 

i actually started out with the idea of trying it and for some reason (too much reading of william burroughs LOL probably) i wanted to be a junkie. so when i tried it and loved it i just started selling it and that was my life for years.
being addicted to opiates sucks though. you can't go anywhere away from your connection and methadone is a horrible way to detox - so i would advise you to stay away from getting addicted to anything that you have to use daily just to feel normal.

 

nice to see william burrough fans here... one thing burroughs loved more than heroin was speedballs...