Why is 'socialized medicine' a dirty word in the US?

All the premier(top) democratic nations in the world have free and in many ways superior medical care than the US.Of course you pay taxes but you get alot for those very taxes.The US medical system used to work,it simply does not any more.

 

I am not going to praise the healthcare system in the US, but it's a fact that many people (especially Canadians) come here for major surgeries. Countries with socialized healthcare often have long waiting lists, and the care is in many ways worse than in the US. Nobody wants to wait six months to have a brain tumor removed.

We have heard people like Hillary Clinton talk about mandatory government healthcare, meaning every American -- regardless if they can afford to pay for their own healthcare -- would have to accept this state healthcare.

What we are looking at here is just another form of control. Under a socialized system of healthcare, people's choices would be greatly limited. Alternative healthcare would become almost non-existent in favor of that which is peddled by the pharmaceutical cartels, which people like Hillary Clinton are in the pockets of.

When you boil it all down, it's really a eugenics program. The medical establishment benefits from an unhealthy population, which is in many ways made even more unhealthy from their toxic vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs.

Too many people see the government as their daddy or some sort of good shepherd which is there to care for them and make sure they're safe and secure. This is the mentality that has been indoctrinated into people from birth. The same establishment promoting socialized healthcare is the same establishment funding eugenics and calling for a reduction in the world's population. People are more unhealthy than ever before, while at the same time the medical establishment is making more money than ever before. It's no coincidence.

 

In countries with the top socialized medical systems,Canada not being one of them,people can choose their own doctors,never worry about paying for medications.They do not have to rely on their work providing medical insurance,or insurance companies period.Most people in the premier nations of Europe would not trade their medial systems for Americas.

 

Nothing is free. Look how much they pay into it in taxes.

 

Part of the problem is the word 'socialized'.If lets say it was called something like "First Class Medicine" as an example some people might look at it a different way.FOX news loves to twist the word socialism around.And most intelligent people know what fox news is-garbage.

 

I have no problem with taxes as long as I get something for them.Even with Englands higher taxes people have alot more money 'now than the typical American that thinks they are middle class.Americas medical system is now run by insurance and drug companies among other vermin.

 

But it's not first class medicine. If someone wants to get an idea of what socialized medicine would look like in the US, all they need to do is go to one of the VA hospitals, which are government-run.

And yes, it is socialism. What else would you call it?

 

Are public libraries socialism?Public schools?Those are just a few examples.When I grew up public school were good in America.I know thats not the case now.lol.

 

And socialized healthcare would dump tons more money into the pockets of the pharmaceutical cartels, which is why they're pushing it through their government minions.

 

Yes, and do you know what? The more federal control and federal funding of public education, the worse the education in this country has become. The public schools receive more federal funding than ever before (it all began with the creation of the Department of Education in 1980), yet the schools are getting worse and worse. That's because when you involve the government in something, the government controls it to their benefit. Public schooling is now a tool of indoctrination, not education.

 

I do agree that one problem is the American government would probably fuck it up.European nations for example TELL the drug companies what they will pay for a medication.If good services are called socialism I do not care,and I happen to be very conservative in many areas.

 

They might try to instill the illusion that the government tells the drug companies how much they will pay, but I don't buy that for a minute. The politicians -- not only in America, but across the entire Western world -- are working for the corporations that feed them and provide them campaign money. Again, it's the corporations that control the government -- not the other way around. Government is merely a tool of big business, and the pharmaceutical cartels are at the top of the list of those big businesses.

 

Rat, only 0.04% of non-urgent cases ever wait 26 weeks (6 months) for treatment here. 87.5% are treated in under 13 weeks. Granted thats still a lot of people waiting. But they still get treatment, whereas under a US style system a lot more than 0.04% wouldn't get it at all. I know you aren't defending the US system, but I just thought I'd mention it. Also, In much of Europe, the state system isn't mandatory. We have BUPA here, and I can't remember the French one. Therefore, if you have the money, you can get private healthcare. You still pay National Insurance, but you can obviously afford to if you can afford to go private. Same with education in any country I can think of.

 

yeah but you don't pay too much taxes.

if it's in the tax law, most of it won't go back to where it's coming from.

corporations will have to pay it, exxon mobil will probably have to pay a good $15 billion extra in taxes for health care but being a corporation it will never get a dime of value for it.

meanwhile the non-working class will have full benefits with no effort.

sickening.

 

The biggest reason the US will never seriously consider a single payer system/socialized medicine, is the Insurance Industry. Even Hillary's plan is a sellout to them.

Public education is one of the finest things that has happened in this country. No Child Left behind and payments to "christian schools", is some of what is currently wrong with the system right now, and who is to blame for that...could it be GW?

And VA hospitals don't get me started on that...all these brave heros GW talks about, but we can't treat them right because when they need to find the money to pay for their tax cuts for the rich it's one of the first things they cut. Because uniformed services requires obediance and subserviance. Who's going to complain. They never cut the reimbursement for Blackwater, Haliburton, etc..

 

You've really bought the spiel haven't you. Why shouldn't corporations have to pay to provide for their labor force? Right now they are the non-working class receiving full benefits with no effort.

 

Frankly, I don't want a health program from the same people who brought us our second-rate educational program, our shitty military programs, and our horrible highway system. I'll just sit here, smoke my deadly cigarettes, drink my unhealthy alcohol, and drive in my piece of shit van while not wearing a seatbelt. And then I will die.

 

Our education system in the past was the ultimate for other countries to strive for, it didn't distinguish between classes. What's changed recently ask yourselves that.

What's lead to the degradation of our infrastructure including our education programs is the false impression that private providers can or might provide better. We've seen what deregulation in California lead to with deregulation and enron, and now Bush is paying christian groups to provide education and social services...one has to step back and really look at how well it's worked. And who has profitted? The market is only interested in one thing their bottomline, without regulation and oversight they will take advantage. It's not frivious lawsuits that are the problem it's the protection of profit seeking speculator's that is the biggest problem!

 

Technically they do provide insurance for their workforce, under the purposed system they would be paying for everyone outside their work force as well.

I do think major changes need to be made but not a mandatory system. I question how the system would work here. Every other system remotely like it has been abused severely. I have not seen a good estimate of how much a system like this would cost the tax payers.

 

Most employers offer insurance already.

And if your employer doesn't offer it, your free to find work elsewhere

And no effort? please.... corporations are the most productive bodies in the US.