Is truth a constant through time?

Topic came up in another thread.

I believe that truth is inconstant through time. That what is truth at one point in time can become untruth in the next.

I, also, think we can only be expected to act on what we know to be true at any given instant. We cannot be expected to act on what we will know to be true in the future.

 

I see what you mean, but Truth cannot be untruth at the same time.

Or can it?

 

Actualy, I believe it can, because I believe in the idea that reality is what each individual makes of it. Universal reality does not exist. So, yes, something can be truth and untruth at the same time, but not for the same person. I believe this is what leads to a lot of the misunderstandings in the world and all its relations. My truth may be another's untruth. For instance, my truth on a specific day in a specific year is that I need to end a relationship with someone. If this is not their truth at that moment in that time, they are hurt by it. When we can learn to except that our truths are all different and change through time, we can learn to truly forgive.

But now I'm gettin' kinda preachy. That's just how I view truth.

 

Wonderful. I think, that was a good post. Thank you.

Yes, our different perceptions make someone's truth, an untruth for someone else, at the same time. It seems to make the difference between acceptance and denial for some people.

 

The truth is there's no such thing as truth, because it too, is a creation of this physical realm.



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Interesting.

If there is no such thing as truth in this physical realm, then we are living in an unreal realm.

Does that make sense?

Can you please clarify?

 

I think truth can be a subjective thing, much like arguably everything else about the human condition. If I said grass was green, chances are you would all agree with me, but what is green? What is green to me might be to you what red is to me. Theoretically, we only have what we believe as true to go by.

On the other hand, if I was to say, I will one day die, how could someone logically contest that?

What exactly are we talking about when we say truth?

 

If at any given moment there are two choices of existence (alive and dead), then the chance of you being alive is 50%. So, though one may assume you will die based on the number of people in your life who have died, your chances are equal of dying and living every moment.

This is assuming that we know everyone dies, also.

 

I say truth is a constant. What makes something essentially true is that it exists. In order for something to be untrue, therefore, it would have to not exist; but if it doesn't exist it can't be anything, including untrue. Even a falsehood is truly a falsehood. A liar is truly a liar.

But your truth, that you need to end a relationship, is also their truth. It just isn't their truth that they need to end the relationship. In a way, every relationship is two separate relationships, neither more or less true: Your relationship to him/her, his/her relationship to you.

That said I agree that most conflicts in the world come down to simple misunderstandings, but I think one such misunderstanding is that anything purely false exists.

 

Is there ever truth in a dream? You're awake (in a manner of speaking) inside a dream.

You're very busy creating and projecting the world around you. But since you woke up here doing it, you don't notice it.

This place is real in the fact that you give the energy it has, but it you were to withdraw that energy, it would vanish for you.

The greater part of who and what you are is outside this dreamworld.

Outside, there is total control over the creative force. Not like here where you you have limited awareness, and therefore limited power to create.


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Death is a personl concept just like the colors you were talking about; all concepts that one comprehends are personal. I knew a four-year-old for whom death didnt not exist; people do not die, they simply go to sleep. For him that is the truth.

Then he learned, and his concept of what death truly is changed. Who is to say that we cannot learn further truth than we know now?

You could never 'know' that you will die one day, but you could hold the idea with as much certainty as you have that the sun will rise tomorrow. Would be intresting if people stopped dying suddenly, though.

 

So what's your point? Things change? Well, uh... yeah, they do.

 

read the topic and could not help but post my own thoughts...on the topic...not what else followed
Truth is allWays the Truth but perceptions and Awarenesses Grow, Change, morph.
And what is claimed as truth may not be true.
When "truth" is used as a value statement, then it will probably change and can be both truth and untruth depending upon your point of view.

But I will probably change my mind tomorrow ...lol

 

Lie becomes truth becomes a lie again -George Orwell, 1984

 

The truth and the dream co-exist.
The truth is unmoved, while the dream changes.

Does that make sense?

 

I like people who can say so much with so few words. that makes total sense.

 

i would answer that by pointing out that truth is an adjective rather then a noun. by which i meant there is no such thing as "Truth" without it being the truth or falshood OF something.

so whether or not that evolved through time would depend entirely on whether what it was the truth OF did.

does something close enough for government work to be called a god or a consortum of gods or what have you, evolve through time?, i think that is a question most likely beyond our human comprehension.

my gut says maybe, but then since its existence almost has to be outside of time and space, what would be the meaning of that?

our egos may want us to imagine we know things that are intrinsically incomprehensible, let alone knowable or known. i don't think we absolutely need to do so.

to me it is entirely sufficient that something or some several or some many somethings close enough for governtment work might very well and seem likely to exist. and if some day when your walking alone in the woods and your hugged by it and you hug it back, that's great. and if you never have that kind of experience, well life is what it is, and whatever you demand of it, you can't really count on or expect.

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Try a comparison of the unmanifest God with the manifest God.

The unmanifest God is the unmoving powerbase of creation. Formless. It never changes. It's "true"

Creation is the movement itself. A constant dance of addition and subtraction to give form in a formless world. As it's nature is always changing, it cannot be called true, or truth.

Therefore, all of creation is untrue.



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If the Truth is spoken by somebody who knows, then it won't be changed no matter how much time passes.

but if spoken by somebody who really doesn't know, then it can be changed.

 

Untruth gives rise to truth,
and truth supports untruth.
How can either claim validity?