Girls today

Why is it wrong for girls just to have cellphones or mp3 players?? I'm confused here If parents want to buy their tweens these devices they can, I see 6 year olds with cell phones and it's strange as hell to me because I am 28 and don't have one, but I'm not their parents, so therefore it doesn't really concern me.

As for the clothing of young girls today, well, it goes that way for guys as well, just not so scantily clad. But it's not the girls/kids fault, they are just trying to be popular and be hip, everyone in their tweens does that with any style that is in, no matter what it is. Parent's are the ones who need to control that, not the kids. Of course when I see young kids barely wearing clothes who are not even old enough for a lerners permit I think to myself, "oh gee whiz" but that is all. It's up to their parents to dress them or what-have-you, not me. Tweens and teens, most of them, just want to be hip and trend with whatever is the new fad.
As for the mp3 player and cell phones, well, it's not fair to say that it's stupid just for young girls to have these devices Which I find funny.. Again, if parents want their children to have these things then so be it. I don't have kids so I feel a bit awkward in talking about parenting cause I have no experience in that area...

 

"in my opinion if that was my girl, i would smack her on the head and tell her to work for it."

that's what father's are for, but you "girls these days" have evicted father's from their families so now you get to deal with silly 13 year olds having sex behind the school and walking around with their blaring mp3 players. just watch the movie 13. that is a family without a father.

enjoy!

 

pfft. whatever. girls didn't sneak out to have sex before.

 

yeah, 'cause a MOVIE about a family without a father is INDICATIVE evidence of the situation in every fatherless home.

i'll have you know girls act like that in families WITH fathers, too.

 

girls act like that in families with fathers when the wife/mother doesn't allow him to discipline the kids.

and yes the movie is indicative because watch tv from the 40's- it's indicative of the social climate.
watch tv from the 60's - also indicative.
and the 80's.
and the 90's.
art immitates life.
movies, music, and other media are indicative of the social climate.

kthx?

 

oh, blame it on the mother, every time. whatever.

 

yes.

why?

because mother's these days have taken 100% responsibility upon themselves by evicting father's from families

*shrugs*

along with equality comes equal responsibility

 

meh, i had divorced parents without much discipline in my life, and im far from a total fuckup. i did get a cellphone young, but that was a gift from family and it was barely used

 

nice anecdote

onto reality now

 

I didn't read all the posts but here's my take...

When I was 14+ back in the mid 80's I had to have my walkman for music. I took it every place I went. From the age of 9 music has been important to me and when you're a teen it is a staple of life. I see nothing wrong with a teen having an MP3 player.

We didn't have cells back then but I think in this day and age it is appropriate (to a limit). One way to ensure responsiblity is using a Tracfone and making the teen earn his/her minutes with some chores or whatever. I know it can give a false sense of security but it's a valuable tool with today's busy lifestyle.

As for the dress, yes I believe a lot of young teens are dressing too sexy. It's an advertisement for problems IMO

 

most father's, because they are men, understand the danger their young daughters are in when they behave and dress provacatively. i recently saw a father with a young teen girl, she was absolutely beautiful, walking through wal-mart. she was dressed just fine but she was so stunning that heads were turning all over the place. the young girl was completely oblivious, yet the father saw it all, and seemed extremely protective of her. he knew what was spinning around in the heads of all the admirers.

many mothers, as women, don't understand this and think it's a-ok. from what i've seen.

father's rule.

 

yeah, so they stay gone, don't interact with their daughters, don't know what to do with their fathers. if women are "evicting" men from their family, those men pretty fucking weak.

 

Why is there a problem with having a mobile phone and an mp3 player?!¿?!¿!?
I think mobiles (or cells to you Americans) are a neccessity for safety. You can always call your parents if you find yourself in any uncomfortable or dangerous situations. A girl was once kidnapped, and if it wasn't for her phone, she would have been raped and killed.

Yes.... mobile phones are BAD... that makes sense...

And mp3 players - most people enjoy music. When I had an mp3 player I loved it and took it everywhere. It was especially useful on the hour long bus journey I have to take everyday alone.

I have both a mobile phone and (used to) have an mp3 player. I can safely say that I am not spoiled one bit.



And as for this mini rant about fathers, I'm with KC. What men don't seem to understand is that mothers connect with their daughters on such a deep level. Mothers have been young girls before - they know exactly how it feels, so they know what to do and how to handle it (most of the time).

Fathers, however, are overprotective. They act in a suffocating manner - a manner which makes girls WANT to rebel against them, so they wear provocotive clothing in spite. Mother make their girls see sense and they explain why it is wrong to wear such things. Father says they CANNOT wear these things, without any explanation.

I have noticed that the girls who dress sluttish for their age, are the daddy's girls. Girls who knows their father hates the way they dress, but they can twist him around their fingers.

 

I agree with Biida.

And all the people who said having an MP3 Player or Mobile is not slutty.

 

I have 2 sisters aged 13 and 10. They both bought their own mobile phones by saving up and my mum giving them some money towards them. Truth be told, they're both growing up way faster than I did, but I don't see it as a bad thing. As the oldest I have to figure out the boundaries, I got my first mobile phone when I started secondary school, it was a hand-me-down from my dad and proved a lifesaver when I got stranded 30 miles from home in the dark because of train delays.

I've never dressed like a slut because that type of clothing doesn't appeal to me. My 13 year old sister dresses 'fashionably' and actually manages to look older than me, but it goes back to the fact that she is much mre mature than I was at that age. She choses what to wear and buys her clothes with her paper round money, she goes and hangs around with her friends in the woods and although she is 'grown up', that's just the way she is.

 

see.

an older woman (39) and an older man (41) agree on this. they are from a time before society went completely insane. see:

1) earn your privileges; an mp3 player is not a right, neither is a cell phone so you can all stand in a circle with your friends talking to your other friends who aren't present but for the most part ignoring eachother

"father's rule."

yes. families do better when the father/husband in is charge, *not* when mommy pushes to hire a nanny and sits on her ass drinking latte's and complaining about what chores the man hasn't done- chores aren't the man's job, they're ours! i want my job back!

"yeah, so they stay gone, don't interact with their daughters, don't know what to do with their fathers. if women are "evicting" men from their family, those men pretty fucking weak."

yes, they are weak- compared to the unfair laws and legislations that are passed against them that given women an unfair advantages in family court. a women need only accuse a man of violence to get him arrested- in many cases she can instigate violence and when he reacts, have him arrested. in this way many mothers prevent dad from seeing the kids. in this way (no fault divorce, gimme half your money for child support) women evict husbands from their families.

and men are almost powerless to this until they day they stand up and speak out against it, and hopefully there will still be enough women like me left to support them, because men need our support, the same way we need their support.

"I think mobiles (or cells to you Americans) are a neccessity for safety. You can always call your parents if you find yourself in any uncomfortable or dangerous situations. A girl was once kidnapped, and if it wasn't for her phone, she would have been raped and killed.

Yes.... mobile phones are BAD... that makes sense..."

anecdote please.

you're also presenting a logical fallacy hun, and while i forget what it is, i can recognize crap when i see it.

cell phone for safety = good, which = only use it in an emergency or if you need help.

 

my father explained it to me. he sat me down and said "sd, you know what fucking and screwing mean?" and i sheepishly said "yes". and he said "good, that's what the boys want to do with you". and he was right even though, at the time, i didn't believe him. that was right before my mom kicked him out of the house and we went crazy like wild indians. had he stayed in the house he would have kept a tighter reign even if we didn't like it, it would have been for our own good. discipline and restrictions on children are a good thing because children aren't adults yet and their parents are responsible for them.

 

So you agree that everyone SHOULD carry mobile phones with them. Good.

And I think that if the child deserves it, he/she should be able to use their phone for other things. Things like arranging times to meet their friends and such. There is nothing wrong about letting you child have privelages, so long as they don't take the piss. It teaches them responsibility and lets them grow up.

We live in a different time nowadays, and whether you or the parents likes it or not, children ARE growing up faster than they once were. So can everyone stop stamping their feet and crying about it, and can they please start embracing it. It ain't gonna stop, so groom your children for their world, not yours. There's nothing anyone can do about it, I'm afraid.

 

"So you agree that everyone SHOULD carry mobile phones with them. Good."

no i was just explaining that justifying having a cell phone "in case of emergency" does not give reason to stand around talking on it all day.

having a cell phone for emergencies = you keep it in your pocket and don't take it *until* there is an emergency.

you girls these days are slippery, but you forget: i was a girl once upon a time too

"We live in a different time nowadays, and whether you or the parents likes it or not, children ARE growing up faster than they once were. So can everyone stop stamping their feet and crying about it, and can they please start embracing it. It ain't gonna stop, so groom your children for their world, not yours. There's nothing anyone can do about it, I'm afraid."

embracing it? honey you are truly insane.

there is no way anyone should groom their daughter for pregnancy at 14.

 

children don't have to grow up faster now, not if they're allowed to be children. it starts with birth. many parents are in such a rush to see how fast they'll sleep through the night, get off the bottle, start solid foods, walk, talk, recite their abc's, become einsteins, etc. if you just let them be a natural child they don't have to become adults sooner than they're ready. my kids elementary has dances now for 3rd graders, it's stupid.

privelages are earned. responsibility is taught by parents not by having a cell phone. there are many things parents can do about like paying attention to their children and being involved in their lives and activities so they don't have to seek that attention from outside sources. so i beg to differ, i won't embrace my 15 year old thinking they're an adult ... when they're clearly not.