learning to forest garden

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  1. hipsage88

    hipsage88 Member

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    i want to learn to make a large amount of fruits and vegtibals and medicanal herbs (not drugs) for colds and flu. however i didnt no where to start until i heard about forest gardening. helping to make great food in a large area without harming the land. however i dont no where the best places are and im still a little shaky on the details. can anyone point me in the rite direction.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    The best thing you can do is learn all you can about growing things. Each plant has cultural requirements. Smart gardeners match the plant to the right environment. Plants establish and grow faster, less possible environmental erosion, and fewer outside costs.

    There's no simple or easy path. It depends on what you wish to plant. You have a really broad list there. Why not start with one or two learn how they grow, where they like to grow, how much sun they need, what temperature they need, how much water, what is their ultimate size, and how long until they mature and fruit. There are many factors you need to understand before you can go planting vegetables or herbs in the forest.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You might be thinking of the new fad in some gardening circles: permaculture. Try googling it.
     
  4. Born25YearsTooLate

    Born25YearsTooLate Hunting the mighty whifflesnark

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    new fad....since what...wasn't 68 bill mollison's first steps out into it?? pretty good fad, if you ask me...lol....besides..it's got to be better than chemical based monoculture.
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Smart gardeners have always gardened smartly. We don't permaculture. We garden/farm we understand plants and all the factors that affect them. Everyone else doesn't just practice chemical based monoculture. Only the rich boys can afford to do that.

    And the newcomers can permaculture all they want. Thing is it's a misnomer. Anyone that deals with plants for any length of time realizes they are in no way permanent. That's one of the fine things about plants they can teach you alot about the world and life.
     
  6. soaringeagle

    soaringeagle Senior Member

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    u can also do as the anastazi did and make thousands of anasrtazi seed balls and toss em all over
    the seed balls are a seed inside a ball of clay mixed woith some organic matter that harden
    when the moisture and temp are right the ball melts and provides everything the seed neeeds to get started
    they would scatter these balls all over the dessert and forrests and they would lie doemant till conditions were right to germinate and grow
    just scatter all sorts of seed balls all over and wait and see what pops up where
    dence forrest though maybe limmited on direct light for some types of plants so you might want to scartter the balls in varius types of envirunments (meadows feilds riverbanks woods dry or wet areas instead of just in deep woods where light and competition for nutrients might be a factor)
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Yes but before you go scattering all variety seeds of plants all over. Think about Kudzu, or here on the west coast Scotch Broom and several other species introduced by well meaning people that have become pests.

    And consider property rights. Here in the states planting foreign species or anything for that matter in national parks is illegal without a permit.
     
  8. scatteredleaves

    scatteredleaves Smelly Hobo

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    lol thank you, i was surprised to hear people on this board put down permaculture.
    its not a fad, its not going to go out of style. its about sustainability and creating systems that help the land and are productive. its a great, effective way of spreading knowledge to people who want to be self sufficient but dont know how to do so (almost everyone). yeah, its just a word that some australian guys coined in the 70s, but the little movement they inspired has the potential to help the earth and do a lot of good. so permaculturists use old techniques... isnt that a good thing?
    no offense, gardener, but i dont think you "permaculture".
     
  9. Born25YearsTooLate

    Born25YearsTooLate Hunting the mighty whifflesnark

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    scattered leaves...you know what it is? I'm impressed, and you just grabbed all kinds of brownie points with me...lol
     
  10. floydianslip6

    floydianslip6 Senior Member

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    There's nothing wrong with the ethic that goes along with permaculture or the "cultural ideals" that it professes. It's just a matter of people grabbing onto the term and slip shawing things together to show other people what permaculture is, or is supposed to be. Something that Mollison himself is against. As the idea is gaining "fad" status, where new people are just tossing the term around, that problem of "bad teaching" is occurring more and more.

    The only problems I have with it, aside from what I noted above, is that it's not favorable to natural species. I think this can be damaging. The same goes for an overuse of certain plants in permaculture design, it's not healthy for the natural ecosystems.
     
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