MGS/lsa first trip report (+ questions for other users)

Ok last weekend, on saturday I ground up my 500 mgs (morning glory seeds) and put them in a bottle of cold fresh water for about an hour. i tried to strain it with a coffee filter but that wouldnt work the water just didnt go through it i dont know why.
I waited about an hour with almost no results then i smoked a bowl of chronic (not kidding it was almost as good as white widow), and that set me off on the wildest fucking day of my life.
i smoked another bowl alittle later of the same shit and i was just really really high. the next thing i knew i was on my friends couch rocking back and fourth happeir than anthing in the world (some sick euphoria) just yelling OH MY GOD over and over again, it felt amazing. after that i followed my firend and hes friend around on a bike while they played bike tag or somthing gay like that and that's when the visuals started. it was an amazing day, its spring as you obviously know and it was a sunny green fucking awsome day (even to my friends who werent tripping sack) i laied in a feild for about an hour (my friends later said it was only like 10 minutes) and i just stared at the sun, reflected on my life and got lost in the awsome patters (more about them later). we rode around on our bikes from park to park and i found an amazing feild to lay in while i watched the sun go down, it was so beautiful and everything was right in the world.
later i was back inside and eating a weed browine... that was good lol... anyway i watched one of my friends play gta4 for a while then i went with two guys to this playground, we smoked another bowl then we got on the swing set which was pretty awsome too lol. next we rode our bikes to the gas station (it was night by this time) and i got some munchies, came home, and passed out.

there were a number of problems i had while tripping.

my stomach hurt like fuck!

my legs, behind the knees especially, hurt like a motherfucker it felt like i was in shock and my mucels wouldnt relax so it hurt to move.

and idk it was my first trip and all the ideas and stuff kinda blew my mind, i still dont feel normal (they way i did before) and its been 48 hours.

questions:

1. What do you use to filter it?

2. Do you get the same stomach pain? how do you fix it?

3. Do you get the same leg pain? how do u fix it? is it somthing to worry about?

4. anything else you know/ would recommend?

 

i get the same leg pains and even asked others if they got it too in a different thread. same spot too, behind the knees, like the back of my thigh and stuff. its one of the effects of lsa and other ergot alkaloids i guess, which is why they cuse miscarriages, you know because of muscle contractions. i used to do them sometimes because i figured it would make me build more muscle by the constant muscle tension, but i think its actually slightly damaging. cant be good to be in a slight flex/cramp for a continuous time period. plus if it does that to your other muscles, its probably doing it to your heart too, which is one of the reasons that taking too many seeds, like a heroic dose, could actually potentially kill you. i dont filter it because i usually just eat them; what can i say, i like the vommitting, i consider it part of the process. hold it in as long as you can, then when its time dry heave the first couple of vomit attempts to get a quik power absorption of any remaining alkaloid in your stomache, then just let it rip. i dont know, i got puking techniques ive picked up over the years from my stomach not wanting some of the things i put in it, but my mind does. plus if you puke, the stomach pain usually goes away. lets see, what else. oh yeah, the seeds are fickle. and what i mean by that is, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont, sometimes they make you puke and work good, other times you wont puke until way later, after you think they didnt work, and all kinds of other impredictable things. some times they kick in within an hour, sometimes they wont hit you full force for several hours. definately smoke weed when they start working, and id even suggest a quart of beer. oh yeah, one last thing about their ficklness, sometimes they're speedy, sometimes they're sedative, i dont know why or how. and sometimes they're not really too psychedelic but more on the plain ol strong narcotic side. the seeds are strange. oh yeah, the first time you eat them they're not too bad, actually quite tolerable. i remember i was all like, what are people talking about they arent that bad, and i ate the plain with just a little salt. but after that first time and that first vomit, i'll never be able to stand the taste or smell of them again. same with all my friends ive introduced to it. hope thats not too much input for you, but thats all i can think of right now. wait, dont eat them for too many days in a row, i got really sick one time after going on a little run with them, the ergot alkaloids build up in you; either that or the cyanogenic glycosides got me because i would always eat them straight.

 

thanks moon.... learned some new stuff there ... and ill be alittle more careful with huge doesage, dont want my heart getting all fucked up .

still if anyone knows a way around the muscel constriction please lemme know

 

on even small test doses (50 seeds) of mg, i too experienced slight cramping in my legs. (didnt use any extractions tho)

however, i didnt feel those cramps on HBWR, so maybe those are a better alternative for you?

personally, i hate woodrose cuz that horrible piss-soaked wood taste makes my sick to think about

 

You know what. I used to have those. try soaking the coffee grinded seed powder in vodka or lemon juice for 30 min. add a little juice and strain through a reusable only coffee filter. This takes away the sleepiness, naseua, gas cramps, leg pains, fish vision and gives you a clean and powerful meditative mind state. Oh and I know what you mean about straining through the coffee filter and nothing comes out. try using a reuasble plastic coffee filter. The water still has a hard time getting through. But if you stir scrape and press the seed mush. the liquid moves through it. I feel this is a vital step in the seperation of solution and seed. That pain aching negative side effect is the natural protective quality of the seeds to protect against birds or other things that would cut off its life span. but if you seperate the magic from the seed with some organic alchemy. You bypass the seeds protective powers and tap the magic powers within. His trip sounds correct in effect. 30 min only soaks, reusable coffee filter, distilled water, vodka, lemon or lime juice, Coffee grinded seeds into a fine powder. These are the staples of a most successful anti bullshit, anti negative experience, unless your karma sucks type shit.

 

How much water per 100 MG seeds is best?
Is it better to soak the seeds in the fridge or at room temperature?
What happens if you soak the seeds longer than the 30 minutes? Some suggest several hours. What's the difference?

Also, if I did an extraction with Everclear and let it evaporate (without the ether first step), would that still remove the bad stuff?

Do you know if rubbing alcohol leaves a residue when it dries?

 

wowee zowee, about 6+ fl oz of water per 100 seeds is good, less as you increase though, 200 seeds with 12 fl oz is good but 500 seeds with 30 oz might be a lot to handle.

 

also, thanks a bunch ancient.

 

I tell you gents. I know where to get everclear in AZ by my brothers at a circle K. When i get to visit him I will get some and try a 30 min wash on the seeds to prove the efficiancy of straight ethanol on the extraction process. For now vodka works just fine. remember 30 min only reusable only coffee filter. I will continue to stress this until i hear a success report. If you guys are under age try lemon or lime juice. this was the solution of my first successe. Trust me I ate seeds and felt the nasuea, cramps, pains, fish vision and magic. This 30 min soak shit works. no lie. I am going to try a distilled water wash when the mother in law bails. shes on her way right now with the wife. Im niced and shwillied off the sacred trinity of weed, beer and cigs. So sometime next week. and i have the peppermint oil to test the LSH factor. So trust me you guys will have documentation posted. peace e.

 

30 min wash only. Slight lethargy due to asemblage point shifting to induce lying, gathering of energy and dreaming while conscience. So clean! 1hr til lift off. bring your chronic for the show. late at nite while the world sleeps. In silent darkness. Travel to the center of your mind and universe. See the aliens in the background and feel the energy movements within.

 

oh and about dosages. I like to start with at least 12 HBWRS I did 18 and pretty much tapped the fullness of the medicine. So twenty will be me tripping doses. Im not gonna waste my time tripping on nothing less. Unless Im unsing them in a more social situation. I know 12 is straight. so thats like 300MGS comparable. Dont waste your time with infant doses. But going over 5 eqivialant LSD doses would be harsh. Trust me I was close.

 

thanks for all your imput ancient, and ill be sure to report my findings nextweekend.

also... can you tell me when during a normal cold water extraction you use the lemon juice or how that works (no vodka or petrolium either)