America in the future!

Discussion in 'The Future' started by forumdude2227, May 9, 2008.

  1. forumdude2227

    forumdude2227 Member

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    What do you think is going to happen to America in the future years?

    War with Russia, is almost imminent, along with that care packadge comes China and Iran, or do you think Russia will not have problems with the USA sence the new election of a president? Do you think the most dominant power in the world will ever be taken down?
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    good morning rip van wrinkle. ever ask yourself who'se ox is being gored?

    universal comodification is universal murder is universal suicide, or is that too much rocket science for die hard fanatics to figgure out for themselves.

    its not a question of being taken down but of rotting from within.

    this is really pathetic. the biggest bully in the world can't find anyone big enough left to pick on, boo hoo.

    so what gratification does any of that get anyone out of life?

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  3. TheSongRemainsTheSam

    TheSongRemainsTheSam Member

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    War is a drug, on which America is severely addicted. Although America can win almost any fight, because of our sheer power.

    Once oil starts to rise in price, you will see frustration at the pump. Once it climbs, you will see anger. Once it peaks, We will all be visiting foot locker for a nice pair of walking shoes.

    In old movies you hear of the bully who needs lunch money so he steals it from a freshman, or someone of lesser power. America is doing just this, its a lot slower, and easier to miss, but its happening. Iraq, and Afghanistan is just the U.S inching closer to that oil. If you own the land, you no longer have to pay retail on the product its producing.

    Eventually though, it will completely run out, and America will slowly decay from the inside, being it is a society designed and built around gas guzzlers and oil hogs. The government wont know how to cope.

    So live it up man
     
  4. Harpo

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    I think the USA will stretch itself too far with the international militarism thingy (thingy: it's a technical term) and will break up into separate nations, much as the once-great USSR did less than 20 years ago. There are secessionist groups in a number of States. My favourite would be NYC as a separate nation
     
  5. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    ey the songremainsthesam, you have a nice superlative for what america is doing. i can see your point.
    i think that the usa has to change its values in order to survive. the usa has the ability to be a positive influence to the world, but that will not happen as long as it goes on with its consumerism, ignorance to the outside world, war politics and playing judge over what is right and wrong meanwhile its own society seems to be one like a schizophrenic. on the one hand mindless conservatives and on the other hand mindless hedonists.
    though i of course i would cut american society short if i wouldn't admit that certainly not every american is stupid, which seems to be the general opinion on america around me. but that's simply not true
     
  6. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    we the people,

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    they the powerful,

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    and the news of the day will be,

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    this is americas future.
     
  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    i don't think its going to matter all that much whether the name "u.s.a." will survive or not. life will go on, with or without it. or it won't.

    but the biggest threat to it is NOT from anywhere outside of itself and its own policies and the absurd self centerdness those policies are based upon.

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  8. rainbowedskylover

    rainbowedskylover Senior Member

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    i can't see the last picture you posted hippyhillbilly, too bad i'd like to know what you posted up there :(
     
  9. sunyatasamsara

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    lol you think america is a super power. China has all the power and can take over the world anytime it wants. This country is rotting and im wondering if the gas prices are going to make society crumble.
     
  10. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    yeah i guess someone didnt like me linking to there pic lol..

    here its is..

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  11. TheSongRemainsTheSam

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    America can Borrow, Steal or do whatever they need to, to get money for oil and such.

    Money DOES buy everything...untill there is nothing of use to buy anymore.

    America is a body. Oil is its blood. That gets cut off, or runs out. It WILL die.
     
  12. themnax

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    analogies are just analogies, they often can and do break down. but nations can and do die too.

    i don't believe america HAS TO choose to be dependent on oil, or even the combustion of anything at all. nor on its love affair with symbolic value.

    these are just the things that currently are. and they COULD certainly bring it down, or do so to its current policies.

    that too is a choice, rather then a forgone conclusion.

    america could fall or not, but if and when it does, it will be more likely from within and as a resault of its own mismanagement of itself, in the form of greedy and short sighted policies, then from external pressures in any form, even the extreme unlikelyhood of military invasions, or slightly more probable clandestine machinations, such as those by which it has itself contributed to the downfal of paramarxist governments elsewhere.

    at any rate, the fall of america's federal government wouldn't create a complet power vacume, instead regeonal confrences of state governors would band togather to from regeonal 'mini-americas' like the baby bells after the split up of at&t.

    this could be a VERY positive outcome, at least for people living in some of them. and i actually look forward to something like that happening eventually, wither or not in my lifetime, and probably not in my lifetime at all, though even that soon presumably it could.

    it would also, i beleive, be a VERY postive outcome for the rest of the planet, for people living in other nations, developed AND 'under' developed ones alike, and the entire web of life itself.

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  13. puremeadow

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    we are slowly destroying ourselves and our world.....its only a matter of years now...
     
  14. themnax

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    what we are destroying is the KIND of world we grew up in. certainly the 'conserving' of anything.

    the web of life, and with it humanity, MIGHT just manage to survive somehow, possibly in somewhat reduced numbers.

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  15. Asvin

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    Of course it is good to have americans discussion the future of US but people abroad might have a slightly different view on things.

    I don't think there will be a war between the US and another big country in the near future. On the other hand I beleive that if the US are not changing their foreign politics soon the US may have some serious troubles with gaining good-will in many countries. Already here in Europe many people are looking upon US as a country that do what it sees fit regardless of protests from other governments etc.

    As an example I gould give, how different we may look at things was the last precidential election. A newspaper in Denmark held their own American presidential election and the result was something like Bush 10%, Nader 30% and the rest to democrats and others. Apart from that Bush got a rather high percentage there was nothing surprising in that election... in Denmark.

    When Project Echelon (industrial espionage) was reveiled in Europe many people were outraged. Of course the Americans defended themselves with that people in Europe are just trading with eachother and also they couldn't compete with more or less common return comission. The americans might be right about that but nobody likes to be spied upon.

    Hugo Chavez in Venezuela has threatened to cut off oil supplied to US and a bit before that some senator in the US was playing with the thought of assasinating Pres. Chavez. The White House disagreed with the senator but it is such statements that makes a big part of the world uncertain about "what does the US want?".

    Internally i can tell that atleast in Denmark the national defecit in the US is sometimes mentioned. Therein it think the biggest threat to the US lies. It is not that I have a great insight in economy but I can see that as it is right now it seems like wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are getting really costly and if something is not done it could threaten the houshold economy of many american citizens and thus destabilizing the national economy... the US will take the rest of the world with it in its downfall.

    The US is a great nation and will still be so in the future but one should not forget that the Marshall Plan is forgotten by now and it is time for the US to mend the wounds they have caused since Bush Jr. became president and the US should really try to get some good-will all around otherwise one can only fear the worst.

    Appologies for bad English but it is not my first language.
     
  16. forumdude2227

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    China? You wish, they have over 1,000,000,000 people and only have enough munitions to provide 45,000,000
     
  17. jrnyman

    jrnyman kermit

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    honestly I think business will begin to claim more and more power. as things go private and the money moves into multi-national corporations, nation states will begin to lose the small amount of power they seem to have. as it's been stated money is where the power is. military force is a weak attempt at controlling money and as things such as oil begin to dry up and the availability of alternative energy sources becomes more readily accessible the entire global economy will shift away from superpowers as we know them and dictators and bully nations or monopolies will dissolve on their own.
     
  18. themnax

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    that is precisely what is happening.

    not only is, but has been, ever since raygun and the corruptions who'se knee jerks brought him to power, reinstituted themselves with a vengence after the all too brief and golden respite from them that the 60s struggled for and the 70s had begun to see some slight fruition of.

    and of course the old world order is not going down without kicking and screaming and throwing its tantrums of war on this, that and every damd thing else it can come up with an excuse for 'making war' on. all which causes great suffering, but ultimately can do it no good. not even a fraction compaired to the harm it is causing.

    money isn't the answer either. it is for the will of money to seek its own company that the puppet strings of nations are being manipulated into conflict.

    how these chainges will come about in detail remains hidden untill, in the fulness of time, each unfolds in its own way as it will.

    yet three factors are known and can be observed, that the oil will at some point be for all practical purposes depleated, international corporate monetary economics will very likely, if not inevitably colapse of its own weight and short sightedness at some point, and we have yet to see more then the tip of the iceberg of the environmental consiquences, global climate chainge included, of the combination of our excessive numbers as a species, and our equally excessive per capita use of combustion.

    2012 is just a number, but these observable trends are real.

    some things we can predict. many others depend on choices we are still making.

    that there WILL come a time when there are fewer of us, and of us that there are, our reliance upon combustion will also be greately reduced.

    but what that world will look like, and how we get from here to there, well i don't expect every place to travel so similar a road as we have come to only in this past century and only in the closing decades of it at that.

    human power, beasts of burden, and mechanical tecnologies on a more humble and humane scale then we have yet seen are all options, and i expect each place according to its own needs and collective will, will evolve its own mix of answers when that time comes.

    nor can i feel any confidence or certainty as to how near or distant that time will be, only that it will come, and that there will be many displacements and even tragidies great and small in the interum.

    along side of THESE things, the fate of any one nation seems a small matter in the balance. even one that is currently possessed of the greatest 'power'.

    =^^=
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